Obama/Shriver-Schwarzenegger

Obama teamed up with the Kennedy Dynasty is that really CHANGE?

I've lost faith in Move-On for being partisan about this primary, using an online vote, which propably did not have that many members voting? Obama down-loaded 7.6 million from Move-On yesterday.

As for the Kennedy Dynasty... Hmmmm... Change? MA doesn't seem to have term limits and talk about favors. Maybe we'll get a team of two with no Executive Experience like Obama/Shriver-Schwarzenegger -- Now that's a move in the RIGHT direction -- Not.

CLINTON/OBAMA
A Democratic team for REAL CHANGE!!!!


I have been receiving e-mail solicitations from Hillary's

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campaign asking for money etc. for over a year. I never signed up or requested any of it. I'm pretty sure that they have been sending this stuff out to anyone whose e-mail address that they could find who has a Democratic leaning.

Does this make her bad? No.

It is just the way the game is played. Get your money, help, votes any way you can. Just don't get caught doing anything against the rules.

Onward and upward I "hope".


I got mail from Chelsea

Asking me to make calls to help her mom


Ha, Ha, you funny!

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I really do appreciate the sarcasm and the humor but no matter how you rearrange the deck, with the Queen of Hearts on top, I don't think most Dems. want to play this game.

Move-on took a vote of it's members and the vast majority wanted to "Move-on" past the Clintononian triangulation, bitter divisiveness and old nineties mindset. Go to their web site and see how many participated in their vote. Democracy in action.

We want to shuffle the deck and play a fresh round of American roulette.

With new players and fresh ideas.

We want to be inspired to higher goals and ideals, a new political paradigm, if you will.

So how about you Arty? Are you in?

Will you play with us even if Hillary is not at the table when the music is over?


A true example of out with the old in with the new...

http://www.democraticmajority.com/

If not for Kennedy, Oprah, and Move-On making critical errors in judgment where would Obama be today?

As it stands:
http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/

Call me a kill joy but this is crowd mentality that will not add up to win the big prize.

THIS IS A WINNING TEAM:
HILLARY/PATRICK '08
Experience & Leadership for the USA!


Crowd mentality?

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It seems obvious to me that Democracy is fairly synonymous with crowd mentality.
It works like this.

Bigger crowd = more votes = the big prize


This is a Cake Walk compared to a McCain/Rice Race...

If any of us were happy to go along with the majority, then we should have been satisfied when Bush won -- twice in a row. The Jr. Senator hopefully will not win and his mentor will move forward with Hillary. That's a power ticket that is ready to run a tough race and come out winners.

CLINTON/PATRICK '08
Support a Team of Democrats who will Change the USA!
http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2007/04/16/patrick_obama_camp...


Bush did not win by the way Arty, he was appointed.

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That was his first term. It is very well documented that he stole the second term from John Kerry in Ohio with the help of Ken Blackwell, Ohio Sec. of State and Bush campaign head in Ohio. Talk about conflict of interest. If he had truly won these elections we may not have been satisfied but not livid with anger.

McCain and Rice are both damaged goods as will be Hillary if she does not withdraw after March 4th if she does not win Ohio and Texas.

Even the Repugs do not like their candidate but they like Hillary even less. If anyone can get them fired up it is the Hildabeast and her hubby.


MM -- I often "hold my tongue" on this forum...

Believe it or not MM, and I respect you, and value your opinion, so I hope you do believe me when I say, i often "hold my tongue" on this forum... This is one of those times.

God willing a Democrat will Win!

CLINTON/PATRICK '08
Experience and Change You Can Count On


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It seems that many Hillary supporters just cannot accept that she isn't winning. They have to find a reason why things are unfair. If my team loses it can't be because the other team is better. It must be that Republicans are voting for Obama, or the media is all biased, or all men hate Hillary, or the voters are just plain stupid. They want to find some hidden flaw in Barack Obama and tear him down. Why can't people just accept that Obama is running a better campaign and most Democrats support him?


Right back at you Wayne...

Wayne it's a close race and I don't support your choice... All we can do is all we can to get the message we believe is real out and hope the best candidate wins and one we feel can win in a race with McCain. That's all I'm doing. I'm not whining about it of swift boating, nor being nasty or underhanded. I'm doing what Americans should do in a case like this, taking action to do what I think needs to be done, to win the Presidency for Democrats in '08 and protect the future of the USA, against adversity.

HILLARY/PATRICK '08
A TEAM YOU CAN COUNT ON WINNING FOR THE USA!


A true example of out with the old in with the new...

http://www.democraticmajority.com/

If not for Kennedy, Oprah, and Move-On making critical errors in judgment where would Obama be today?

HILLARY/PATRICK '08
Experience & Leadership for the USA!

Sorry... I made a mistake... How do you remove a post?


MM Thanks for appreciating my humor ;-)

Do you think I'm kidding (lol)
Yeah I'm kidding... Sort of...


MM -- It's not over 'till the fat Lady Sings

MM -- Thanks for asking...I believe in the power of certainty, so for now... well I've answered that before and do below. I want Hillary to win, and don't think Obama represents any more change than she does. This is a close race so "most Dems" want Obama is not accurate... One reporter said, "two superstars are locked in a dead heat". Not everyone thinks new and young spells better or a better President -- or more likely to bring actual change no matter the Obama rhetoric to the contrary.

In general, so long as we have Republicans and Republican-Lite, I'll look at the options and decide.I've decided the superstar team of Hilary/Obama is a stronger ticket than Obama/Shriver-Schwarzenegger... Obama/? I want to see a Democrat as President so I'll stick with that conviction.

I don't see much in what Obama says that is real change... and I haven't heard much that is new. I like Obama and the first time I heard him speak was very impressed, and he's running an excellent campaign, so far. I hate to sound like a broken record... but I don't see him winning the big prize in the end... so the stakes are high.

Will I vote for him If he wins... If Gore jumps in to save the day an an independent - Not a chance... Short of that unlikely scenario, Yes... Unless, he goes Republican-Lite all the way, per above, which may be a good strategy actually, but would be a terrible choice for the American people, who voted for Obama because he promised real change. In that case I could not stomach supporting someone who completely misrepresented his devotion to real change.

Real change will come when the Kennedy Dynasty, and all the other dynasties we have are ousted from running the show, because this current 2-Party system breeds corruption and those that represent real change get a bullet. Bill Clinton balanced the budget when "everyone" said it could not be done. Hillary did more to advance Universal Health care than any American and I feel she and Obama as a team can get the job done. Obama is young, good looking, smart and an awesome orator, but that's just not enough to convince me he will do a better job in office, than Hillary. Schwarzenegger is popular, would you vote for him? He's a Republican and does what the Republicans want, but he talks a good game and has STAR POWER. and used the Kennedy connection including Uncle Ted to oust Gray -- with a special election -- when there was no controversy with Gray's performance. It was like a coup. Obama has star power, and his intentions/performance at the highest levels, are a mystery, because there is little history. He massages the truth -- like all the others, so I have to go with my gut on this -- and like many -- I choose Hillary to win the Presidency -- The TEAM OF CLINTON/OBAMA is the best answer, IMHO.

I look at the reality, beyond, the propaganda and Health Care, and the Economy are 2 issues important to me. Of course I want peace? Since Obama didn't vote, did Kennedy his mentor vote for the war? All the Democrats did, and will again and again unless people apply pressure so that the Dems & Reps Senators and Congressman that follow, understand that their jobs/votes may not be there if they don't perform for the people.

I am a big proponent for CHANGE & PEACE and will do what I can to make sure whoever the nominee is that if I don't hear specifics about how change and peace will happen -- in reality -- there are people willing to criticize and call them out. No one is a shoe in with me if they don't perform as promised or dance around the issues. That's where I stand.


Believing Obama

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by Garrett Graff
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/garrett-graff/believing-obama_b_86874.html

A large chunk of this presidential election is shaping up to be about tone -- big change vs. little change, hope vs. experience. To see how these ideas are manifesting themselves among voters, one needs to look no further than Zazzle.com, the online site where people can design their own bumper stickers, buttons, and t-shirts.

Search for Obama and you'll find the first page of results packed with inspirational t-shirts, many with the theme of "Yes We Can." Through the first five pages of search results (as of this morning) the results are uniformly positive. There are "Yes We Can" t-shirts, bumper stickers, and buttons, "Republicans for Obama"-themed swag, "Latinos for Obama" stuff, "Barack to the Future" t-shirts, and many just with his face or the campaign's official logo. There's nothing about any other candidates. The depth and breadth of the slogans and voter-generated content is impressive.

Hillary's Zazzle page couldn't be more different. Many of the items are negative-one of the lead items is a bumper sticker with the slogan "Monica Lewinsky's ex-boyfriend's wife for President" -- and a good number of items are actually about Barack Obama. In fact, on the front page of results only approximately one-third of the items are pro-Hillary. The lead item is a t-shirt for "Billary" and the fourth and fifth items are both Obama paraphernalia.

Zazzle appears to be another solid example of how Hillary's campaign just doesn't inspire voter-generated content in the way that Obama's campaign does, which is a good proxy for grassroots fervor. Just like on YouTube, where we've seen the emergence of multiple pro-Obama viral videos without any real answer from the Clinton side.

The famed street artist Shepard Fairey, perhaps best known for his sticker of Andre of Giant, in recent weeks has released a limited edition poster with Barack Obama's face and the word "Progress." The first signed set sold out online in just 15 minutes and the posters he hung on the street in advance of the Super Tuesday primaries are now going for nearly $1,000 a piece on eBay. The second set of posters, with the word "Hope" that were scheduled to go on sale yesterday, proved so popular that his website was down for most of the day. Clearly there's something going on here that's larger than just a run-of-the-mill presidential election. Can you imagine anyone competitively bidding for a pretty poster of John Kerry in 2004 or Al Gore in 2000?

Four years ago, I was lucky enough to be on the floor of the FleetCenter in Boston to watch his keynote to the Democratic National Convention and as part of my research for a big article on Barack Obama over a year ago I watched him speak many times, and even more since then. What's been great about seeing him speak so many times is the chance to watch people react to him for the first time -- and it's in that moment that one can understand why someone would online and create t-shirts to spread the hope.

Truly great speakers offer a chance to believe -- it's the same whether you're talking about pulpit preachers, televangelists, politicians, Oprah or Dr. Phil. The interaction between the crowd and the speaker is also key -- you need the interplay between both to really create the unique environment that allows for just that second of believing.

On the Dean campaign, where I worked in 2004, one of Joe Trippi's favorite sayings was the old baseball slogan, "You Gotta Believe." It appeared at many of our rallies and one of the iconic images from the campaign is Trippi with a "You Gotta Believe" sign thrust high over his head-for a moment even Trippi believed. I remember the highlight of the campaign for me was the final rally of the Sleepless Summer Tour in summer 2003 in Bryant Park, New York, where we packed over 10,000 people into the park. As night fell and Dean took the stage, we reached the million-dollar online fundraising goal for the trip and the crowd went wild. Governor Dean's speech that night was basically the same he had given a thousand times at that moment but the play between his energy, the setting, and the crowd was magical. I never believed more in that campaign than I did at that exact moment.

What Obama does so well is offer that moment of belief -- that, dare we say, hope -- to crowds as he speaks. For just the moment of the speech, you want to believe everything he says -- that the world he describes is one that we can achieve.

As George Packer wrote in the New Yorker recently:

"Obama spoke for only 25 minutes and took no questions; he had figured out how to leave an audience at the peak of its emotion, craving more. As he was ending, I walked outside and found five hundred people standing on the sidewalk and the front steps of the opera house, listening to his last words in silence, as if news of victory in the Pacific were coming over the loudspeakers. Within minutes, I couldn't recall a single thing that he had said, and the speech dissolved into pure feeling, which stayed with me for days."

If Hillary or McCain wants to beat Obama, they need to get better at offering that magical moment of hope. Hillary offers a good story, you believe that she can make change, but by and large she's too practical to offer too much hope. She, as Packer says, represents the art of what's actually possible.

Hope, that moment of believing, is perhaps the gift of the young and the naive, but when you look back over the great speakers of American life, like JFK and Martin Luther King, Jr., few things aren't possible when you offer inspiration and energy at the level they did. The question for this election: Can enough people believe for long enough to get Barack where he needs to be?

As we read this morning that superdelegate Rep. John Lewis has joined his colleague Rep. David Scott in switching their votes to Obama, they're responding to this larger dynamic -- understanding that their constituents, who voted overwhelmingly for Obama, want this moment of hope and believing. If Barack goes on to win the nomination, as appears increasingly likely, it will be because he inspired that single moment of believing in more and more voters as the campaign has progressed. Until the race is settled, though, it's clear his supporters will keep the cause alive -- from will.i.am's YouTube video to Zazzle-made t-shirts to posters in the street. It's all about the hope.

Garrett M. Graff, now an editor at Washingtonian magazine, is the author of "The First Campaign: Globalization, the Web, and the Race for the White House."


So anyway... got a letter from Obama to write to super-delegate

Hey MM... I appreciate your point of view. The way I see it is different. Obama is using his supporters to undermine Hillary -- one by one -- by contacting them and asking them to write to to super-delegates in his behalf -- smart move, but divisive, for sure.

"Monica Lewinsky's ex-boyfriend's wife for President". Does anyone really think this was written by a Hillary supporter ? I guess Hillary supporters aren't going to Zazzle.

Who among USA voters does not have Hope? I certainly have Hope that Hiillary Clinton will become President, and Obama is a team player and will become VP. I certainly hope a Democrat wins this time. At least Hillary has a record of change to gauge, and though imperfect, her record is impressive, and real.

It's not that Obama is any more "sleazy" than all the other republicans and Democrats before him. Truth in Advertising does not apply to politicians, so every "player" in this game plays dirty, he's just doing it like a magician. Obama is no Saint compared to Hillary... He's using individuals better, like supposedly not taking money from PACS, and special interests (Well... turns out he does) and in addition to appear to take less from special interests, he gets their leaders, to influence their members, to do the group deeds one-by-one.

CLINTON/OBAMA 'O8
A Team of Hope & Change
(If Obama wants to be VP -- not a bad option for him if he loses this close race, WOW! He can lend his well thought out strategies and rhetoric to the team -- and bring home the prize)

CLINTON/OBAMA
Experience & Change

CLINTON/OBAMA '08
America's Future


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