Al Gore For President
I'd really hoped Al Gore would run for President again,and respect his own reasons for not running again in 2008. I signed every petition, and sent money, and did what I could as part of the "Draft Al Gore" movement.
After that I listened to Obama and at first was so impressed with his speeches, but the closer I looked, and read about Obama, the more I was convinced that he is not really offering anything different, and his press agent Axelrod is brilliant, but that is not a credit that justifies electing Obama. Rezko, a fund raiser is on trial for fraud and he raises money for Obama and Bush. So eventually, I lost my enthusiasm for Obama, because I kept hearing inspiring words but never could truly believe in his sincerity. I am glad to see a Black/African American man rise to such heights, but I don't feel Obama is ready to be our President, or VP. Hillary should think long and hard about that decision, and who will deliver what people want, and be electable in the race against McCain where VP is a back-up President.
That's when I took another look at Hillary, and her record of accomplishments, and I really thought about who I believed would work tirelessly to really make change happen, and decided to lend my support to Hillary. As I watched her being smeared by Obama supporters every day -- being called racist, which scared off the press and the latest Obama theme that the Clinton's are a "Hit Sqaud" being parroted all over the internet to get the attention away from the Rezko scandal, I gain more and more respect for Hillary every day. I believe she has shown grace under fire, and will be a great president, and can face McCain and win.
My esteem and respect for Al Gore -- if it could be greater than before -- is heightened now more than ever because Al Gore did not jump on the band wagon with Obama. Obama was a perceived "winner" for awhile, and I kept seeing more and more Obama support from people who want to run with a winner. Despite that trend, AG maintained his integrity, and has chosen not to endorse anyone thus far. I really respect the wisdom, that Al Gore exhibited by refraining from getting involved in this race.
At 46, Obama is not really a youngster, but many of his foot soldiers are, and they are trashing Hillary in the most unbelievable ways, and I think they believe whatever Obama tells them, because they don't know the history of Hillary or Bill Clinton. To them Hillary is nothing but Bill Clinton's wife and Bill Clinton ruined the USA. Go Figure!
Thank you, Al Gore. I love you. Keep helping America and the World, be a better place in your own way.
OBAMA needs only 121.5 more Delegates to secure Dem Nomination
Countdown to the Nomination - 120.5 Delegates to Go
By Sam Graham-Felsen - May 16th, 2008 at 8:44 am EDT
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Yesterday, Obama secured the support of 4 superdelegates (Reps. Henry Waxman, Jim McDermott and Howard Berman and Larry Cohen (CWA DNC)), 1 pledged delegate in North Carolina (because of updated vote tallies in the state) and 7 pledged delegates that had previously supported John Edwards. That means that the number for Obama to secure a majority of pledged delegates has gone down from 25 to 17. And the number Obama needs to secure the nomination is 121.5.
The Math
Total Pledged Delegates: 3,253
Pledged Delegates needed for a majority of pledged delegates: 1,627
Total delegates needed for nomination: 2,025
Edwards Pledged Delegates who are now Obama Delegates:7
Obama Pledged Delegates:1,603
Obama Super Delegates: 293.5
Obama Total Delegates:1,903.5
Delegates Obama needs for a majority of pledged delegates: 17
Obama need to secure the Democratic nomination: 121.5
Please make some calls and make a donation today and continue the momentum. We're getting close, but we need everyone to continue to be involved if we want to make this thing happen.
UPDATE: Rep Pete Stark just endorsed, making the number of delegates Obama needs to secure the nomination 120.5.
Obama now ahead of Hillary in superdelegates
The last straw is broken
Obama Takes Lead in Superdelegate Tally
Hillary Clinton Will Meet With Financial Backers Next Week
By JAKE TAPPER
May 9, 2008
Sen. Barack Obama moved into the lead today in the last category that Sen. Hillary Clinton had claimed to have an edge -- support among the Democratic Party's superdelegates.
The Illinois Democrat grabbed the superdelegate lead thanks to a switch by New Jersey Rep. Donald Payne and an endorsement from previously uncommitted Rep. Peter DeFazio of Oregon.
Those two votes gave Obama a 267-266 lead over Clinton. That is a huge shift since the days when Clinton boasted about a 60-plus vote lead among the party's pros back on Super Tuesday.
Clinton Fights On, Obama Focuses on McCain
While the New York Democrat is refusing to concede defeat and is hoping a victory in Tuesday's West Virginia primary will keep her dwindling hopes alive, Obama is starting to focus instead on his Republican opponent John McCain.
ABC News' senior political correspondent George Stephanopoulos reported on "Good Morning America" that Obama's team is considering using some of his campaign cash to fund ads against the Arizona senator.
His camp is also planning to announce a 50-state registration rally this weekend, a tactic geared to a November election rather than the remaining Democratic primaries.
The rest of the Democratic Party, however, is struggling with how to end Clinton's challenge and worries that a last-ditch effort by Clinton could be damaging to Obama.
They were particularly unnerved by Clinton's comments earlier this week that appeared to be racially insensitive or racially calculated when she said, "Sen. Obama's support among working, hardworking Americans, white Americans, is weakening again."
"This is exactly the kind of talk that is going to make superdelegates nervous," Stephanopoulos said. "Most of the uncommitted superdelegates and party leaders like House Speaker Nancy Pelosi are willing to forgo pressuring her to get out of the race as long as the rhetoric stays in tact."
Panetta Calls for Clinton to Concede
Former top Clinton administration aide Leon Panetta told KGO TV in San Francisco, "It's pretty clear unless there's a bolt of lightning, Barack Obama is likely to win the Democratic nomination. She's put up a good fight and put up a good race, but I think there's a time now where she needs to concede and unify the party."
f Clinton decides to fight on, Panetta advised that she "should remain on issues, they shouldn't engage in personal attacks. … Whether the winner wins will depend an awful lot on how the loser loses."
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There are indications that Clinton is taking a hard look at her options. She has scheduled a meeting Wednesday -- the day after the West Virginia primary -- with her campaign's major financial backers at her Washington mansion.
Stephanopoulos said there was also "lots of very quiet waltzing behind the scenes with intermediaries representing Sens. Clinton and Obama" to engineer a "dream ticket" with Clinton as Obama's vice president.
"I should say there's an expectation that Sen. Obama is reluctant to go down this road for a host of reasons, but others are making the case this is the most powerful ticket for the Democratic Party," Stephanopoulos reported.
For many Democrats, however, Conan O'Brien had it right.
In discussing the states where the two candidates were favored, the comedian quipped, "Hillary is favored in the state of denial."
ABC News' Karen Travers contributed to this report.
New Motto: Change is Always Met with Resistance
That explains the Bittery Hillary supporters. They are like maggots feeding on Rev. Wrongs dead on arrival philosophy. Once they, the Bittery Hillary politicos turn into flies, they will be landing & feasting on McSame's dun.
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Here is an Oldie but Goody
Story behind the story: The Clinton myth
By: Jim VandeHei and Mike Allen
March 21, 2008 05:11 PM EST
One big fact has largely been lost in the recent coverage of the Democratic presidential race: Hillary Rodham Clinton has virtually no chance of winning.
Her own campaign acknowledges there is no way that she will finish ahead in pledged delegates. That means the only way she wins is if Democratic superdelegates are ready to risk a backlash of historic proportions from the party's most reliable constituency.
Unless Clinton is able to at least win the primary popular vote - which also would take nothing less than an electoral miracle - and use that achievement to pressure superdelegates, she has only one scenario for victory. An African-American opponent and his backers would be told that, even though he won the contest with voters, the prize is going to someone else.
People who think that scenario is even remotely likely are living on another planet.
As it happens, many people inside Clinton's campaign live right here on Earth. One important Clinton adviser estimated to Politico privately that she has no more than a 10 percent chance of winning her race against Barack Obama, an appraisal that was echoed by other operatives.
In other words: The notion of the Democratic contest being a dramatic cliffhanger is a game of make-believe.
Story Behind the Story
Why news gets covered the way it does
Politico's top editors draw on their experience at the nation's largest news organizations to pull back the curtain on coverage decisions and the media mindset.
The real question is why so many people are playing. The answer has more to do with media psychology than with practical politics.
Journalists have become partners with the Clinton campaign in pretending that the contest is closer than it really is. Most coverage breathlessly portrays the race as a down-to-the-wire sprint between two well-matched candidates, one only slightly better situated than the other to win in August at the national convention in Denver.
One reason is fear of embarrassment. In its zeal to avoid predictive reporting of the sort that embarrassed journalists in New Hampshire, the media - including Politico - have tended to avoid zeroing in on the tough math Clinton faces.
Avoiding predictions based on polls even before voters cast their ballots is wise policy. But that's not the same as drawing sober and well-grounded conclusions about the current state of a race after millions of voters have registered their preferences.
The antidote to last winter's flawed predictions is not to promote a misleading narrative based on the desired but unlikely story line of one candidate.
There are other forces also working to preserve the notion of a contest that is still up for grabs.
One important, if subliminal, reason is self-interest. Reporters and editors love a close race - it's more fun and it's good for business.
The media are also enamored of the almost mystical ability of the Clintons to work their way out of tight jams, as they have done for 16 years at the national level. That explains why some reporters are inclined to believe the Clinton campaign when it talks about how she's going to win on the third ballot at the Democratic National Convention in August.
That's certainly possible - and, to be clear, we'd love to see the race last that long - but it's folly to write about this as if it is likely.
It's also hard to overstate the role the talented Clinton camp plays in shaping the campaign narrative, first by subtly lowering the bar for the performance necessary to remain in the race, and then by keeping the focus on Obama's relationships with a political fixer and a controversial pastor in Illinois.
But even some of Clinton's own advisers now concede that she cannot win unless Obama is hit by a political meteor. Something that merely undermines him won't be enough. It would have to be some development that essentially disqualifies him.
Simple number-crunching has shown the long odds against Clinton for some time.
In the latest Associated Press delegate count, Obama leads with 1,406 pledged delegates to Clinton's 1,249. Obama's lead is likely to grow, as it did with county conventions last weekend in Iowa, as later rounds of delegates are apportioned from caucuses he has already won.
The Democratic Party has 794 superdelegates, the party insiders who get to vote on the nomination in addition to the delegates chosen by voters. According to Politico's latest tally, Clinton has 250 and Obama has 212. That means 261 are uncommitted, and 71 have yet to be named.
An analysis by Politico's Avi Zenilman shows that Clinton's lead in superdelegates has shrunk by about 60 in the past month. And it found Clinton is roughly tied among House members, senators and governors - the party's most powerful elite.
Clinton had not announced a new superdelegate commitment since the March 4 primaries, until the drought was broken recently by Rep. John P. Murtha (D-Pa.) and West Virginia committeeman Pat Maroney.
Clintonistas continue to talk tough. Phil Singer, the Clinton campaign's deputy communications director, told reporters on a conference call Friday that the Obama campaign "is in hot water" and is "seeing the ground shift away from them."
Mark Penn, the campaign's chief strategist, maintained that it's still "a hard-fought race between two potential nominees" and that other factors could come into play at the convention besides the latest delegate tally - "the popular vote, who will have won more delegates from primaries [as opposed to caucuses], who will be the stronger candidate against McCain."
But let's assume a best-case scenario for Clinton, one where she wins every remaining contest with 60 percent of the vote (an unlikely outcome since she has hit that level in only three states so far - her home state of New York, Rhode Island and Arkansas).
Even then, she would still be behind Obama in delegates.
There are 566 pledged delegates up for grabs in upcoming contests. Those delegates come from Pennsylvania (158), Guam (4) North Carolina (115), Indiana (72), West Virginia (28), Kentucky (51), Oregon (52), Puerto Rico (55), Montana (16) and South Dakota (15).
If Clinton won 60 percent of those delegates, she would get 340 delegates to Obama's 226. Under that scenario - and without revotes in Michigan and Florida - Obama would still lead in delegates by 1,632 to 1,589.
The only remote possibility of a win in delegates would come if revotes were held in Florida and Michigan - which, again, would take a political miracle. If Clinton won 60 percent of the delegates in both states, she would win 188 delegates and Obama would win 125. Clinton would then lead among pledged delegates, 1,777 to 1,757.
The other elephant in the room for Clinton is that Obama is almost certain to win North Carolina, with its high percentage of African-American voters, and also is seen as extremely strong in Oregon.
Harold Ickes, an icon of the Democratic Party who is Clinton's chief delegate strategist, points out that every previous forecast about this race has been faulty.
Asked about the Obama campaign's contention that it's mathematically impossible for Clinton to win, Ickes replied: "They can't count. At the end of it, even by the Obama campaign's prediction, neither candidate will have enough delegates to be nominated."
This is true, as a matter of math. But even the Clinton campaign's own best-case scenario has her finishing behind Obama when all the nominating contests are over.
"She will be close to him but certainly not equal to him in pledged delegates," a Clinton adviser said. "When you add the superdelegates on top of it, I'll think she'll still be behind him somewhat in total delegates - but very, very close."
The total gap is likely to be 75 to 110, the adviser said.
That means Clinton would need either some of those pledged delegates to switch their support - which technically they can do, though it would be unlikely - or for the white-dominated group of superdelegates to join forces with her to topple Obama.
To foster doubt about Obama, Clinton supporters are using a whisper and pressure campaign to make an 11th-hour argument to party insiders that he would be a weak candidate in November despite his superior standing at the moment.
"All she has left is the electability argument," a Democratic official said. "It's all wrapped around: Is there something that makes him ultimately unelectable?"
But the audience for that argument, the superdelegates, will not easily overturn the will of the party's voters. And in fact,
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Iron Sharpening Iron
Hillary is now just hurting herself. We are getting stronger & she is getting weaker. The more Hillary goes for ONLY self, the more powers she will lose.
She was once considered as a vp choice.
She was once considered to be the next majority leader.
It wont be long before she start to damage her Senate re-election bid.
She don't stand a chance in 2112.
PS. Some of us are thriving off the competition.
Goodbye to the New Deal
Goodbye to the New Deal
By William Tucker
Published 4/28/2008 12:08:25 AM
I don't want to sound too optimistic, but it appears that, in a year when the Democrats were supposed to make their triumphant re-entry into Presidential politics, we may be witnessing the final demise of the New Deal.
The Pennsylvania primary was a clincher. Obama has two constituencies -- African Americans and college-educated liberals. They're both passionate bloc voters and will turn out in droves. But their numbers are limited. They'll give Obama Massachusetts, Rhode Island, Mississippi, Illinois, and maybe California and Oregon, but that will be about it.
Hillary's votes come from the Democrats' other constituency -- blue-collar workers, Catholics, and people without a college education. Catholics rejected Obama by 70 percent. That's scary. Catholics have been a core constituency for the Democrats since the days of Rum, Romanism, and Rebellion. If they drift over to the Republicans -- as they were doing under Ronald Reagan -- there's very little left in the Democrats' portfolio.
I've just been reading Amity Shlaes's The Forgotten Man, a revisionist history of the New Deal. It's a wonderful effort and makes it clear that, although the Roosevelt Coalition was the greatest single voting bloc in American history, it was also cobbled together from very disparate elements.
Most important, it was led, fore and aft, by East Coast intellectuals and university professors. The New Deal was hatched in academia and among left-wingers who had made pilgrimages to the Soviet Union. But they had the people on their side. The Republicans had messed things up hideously and there wasn't any reason not to try something new. Herbert Hoover caved to the Republican Midwest-and-manufacturing coalition to pass Smoot-Hawley and what could have been just a bad downturn became the Great Depression.
Even though they were united against the Republicans and Big Business, however, the Roosevelt Coalition was a hodgepodge of conflicting constituencies. There was the blue-collar working class, much bigger in those days, and the natural adversary of Big Business. There were Catholic immigrants, always wedded to urban Democratic machines. (Only four years before, Al Smith had become the first Catholic to be nominated for President.) Then there was the "Solid South." It was still fighting the Civil War. The most conservative region of the country, the South still voted Democratic to get back at Abraham Lincoln. African Americans, on the other hand, were Republicans at the time, but that didn't help much because Jim Crow laws kept them from voting.
THIS WEIRD COLLECTION held sway over American politics for fifty years, functioning like something put together by Rube Goldberg. A Southerner always had to be on the ticket. When Northern intellectuals got overconfident, they nominated someone like Adlai Stevenson, who had almost no appeal outside academia. Southern senators and congressmen remained in office forever and rose to controlling positions in both Houses. Thus when northern liberals wanted reforms, they always found them blocked by their own Southern committee chairmen. John Kennedy spent most of his presidency wrestling with this dilemma.
The breakthrough came in 1964, when the civil rights movement threw African Americans into the Democratic camp. Lyndon Johnson was the first and only Democrat to benefit from this grand coalition, winning by the biggest popular margin in history. But Barry Goldwater's seemingly quixotic campaign got Southern conservatives thinking maybe they had more in common than they realized with rural people in the Midwest and Far West.
Ronald Reagan picked them off in the 1980s, but the tectonic shift didn't come until 1994 when Newt Gingrich, Dick Armey, and other Southern congressmen who had switched sides led the South into the Republican ranks. "The Civil War is finally over," said Newt after the election and he was right as usual. Instead of living with the anomalous legacy of the Civil War, the country has now divided neatly into liberal and conservative -- which generally means urban versus rural. That is why American politics over the past 15 years has become so evenly divided and so uniquely contentious.
Liberal analysts are always celebrating the supposed fissures in the Republican coalition-- the inherent dissimilarity between business executives and religious social conservatives. I personally think that hideous movie, There Will Be Blood, was made just to try to exploit this division. The Huckabee-McCain contest was also supposed to embody this dilemma. But Republicans are team players -- they know how to lose gracefully and close ranks. Huckabee just announced he will be campaigning for McCain this fall. It was a perfect Republican gesture.
Unfortunately for the Democrats, the contest this year isn't just about politics and issues -- it's about identity. That won't be easy to mend. The big problem is the role for African Americans. No Democratic presidential candidate since Lyndon Johnson has won the white vote. African Americans -- usually voting 90 percent Democratic -- have become the party's core constituency. The Clintons knew this in their bones. That's why the constantly kowtowed to Jesse Jackson and every other black leader -- and why they feel so bitterly betrayed now.
YET IT WAS ONLY GOING to be so long before blacks tired of carrying water for the Democrats and asked, "What about one of ours?'' The Obama phenomenon was inevitable. At some point there had to emerge a bright, articulate appealing African American who would step forward and say, "Now it's our turn to run."
The problem with Obama isn't that he's African American. It's that he's a pure product of academia -- Columbia, Harvard Law School, Hyde Park. He's never been outside that circle, never bowled (imagine that!), and didn't even realize he had insulted tens of millions of small-town Americans with his guns-and-religion remarks. You have to feel sorry for this guy. He didn't mean anything nasty. He was just repeating the scuttlebutt he's heard ever since he entered college -- small-town Americans don't know their own minds, religion is a crutch, guns a sign of underlying pathology. (My favorite in this genre has always been Katie Couric's remark on the morning of John Kerry's defeat, when she turned to her co-host and said, "Who are these voters?" She still doesn't know -- and neither does Obama.)
And that's why the Democrats may be carving another historical milestone but without returning to power. Hillary has spotted Obama's weakness and is rousing blue-collar voters against him. But McCain will win them easily with the same arguments. From a coalition that once included about 75 percent of America, the Democrats have now whittled down to two constituencies -- African Americans and liberal intellectuals. That's enough to win Cambridge and San Francisco but not much else. When 2008 is over, the Democrats will have made history. They will have nominated the first African American for President, just as they nominated the first Catholic in 1928, and the first woman for vice president in 1984. But as in both of those years, they'll also have to go back and start trying to rebuild their increasingly narrow base.
William Tucker, a frequent contributor to The American Spectator, is a writer in Nyack, New York.
Dems will back the nominee
Black Cell, that was a great article, well-written with a LOT of truth in it; however, I don't share the author's (and presumably your) pessimism that all the HRC-backers will vote for McCain in the general should Obama become the Dem nominee. Dems will back the Dem nominee. A few will stay home, and a few will vote for McCain. But many disillusioned former Republicans and independents will vote for Obama.
For Obama, a well-chosen running mate will mend the divide. McCain has no chance. He himself has said that, because of his age, his choice for VP will be very important. And the hard-right rulers of the Repug party will tell him who to choose, just as they're telling him what to say now. And that choice will doom him, as it will prove that McCain has abandoned his ethics and integrity and is only the nominee because he agreed to sell out.
Meanwhile, Obama will choose someone who shows that he wants, appreciates and deserves the support of the HRC voters. It won't be HRC herself -- I don't know who he should or will choose -- but the right choice will go a long way to putting and end to the nonsense and bring us together for November.
Hey GOPStopper!
lately, I have been using the opposition as a tool to make a point. I believe that their is a a way to use the negative press to our advantage, & I am trying to develop the technique.
Great to hear from you GOP Stopper:-!
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Dems fear racial divide
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Dems fear racial divide
Attacks could do lasting harm, party officials say
By Jonathan Weisman and Matthew Mosk
The Washington Post
updated 10:15 p.m. PT, Fri., April. 25, 2008
The protracted and increasingly acrimonious fight for the Democratic presidential nomination is unnerving core constituencies -- African Americans and wealthy liberals -- who are becoming convinced that the party could suffer irreversible harm if Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton maintains her sharp line of attack against Sen. Barack Obama.
Clinton's solid win in the Pennsylvania primary exposed a quandary for the party. Her backers may be convinced that only she can win the white, working-class voters that the Democratic nominee will need in the general election, but many African American leaders say a Clinton nomination -- handed to her by superdelegates -- would result in a disastrous breach with black voters.
"If this party is perceived by people as having gone into a back room somewhere and brokered a nominee, that would not be good for our party," House Majority Whip James E. Clyburn (S.C.), the highest ranking African American in Congress, warned yesterday. "I'm telling you, if this continues on its current course, [the damage] is going to be irreparable."
That fear, plus a more general sense that Clinton's only route to victory would be through tearing down her opponent, has led even some black Democrats who are officially neutral in the race, such as Clyburn, to speak out.
Clinton's camp has a vastly different interpretation, arguing that the most recent primary demonstrated that Democrats remain very interested in seeing the contest continue.
"Pennsylvania did the job of calming any nerves that existed," said Clinton campaign spokesman Jay Carson. "It showed that the big states around the country think she's the best person to be president."
But that opinion is far from unanimous. More than 70 top Clinton donors wrote their first checks to Obama in March, campaign records show. Clinton's lead among superdelegates, a collection of almost 800 party leaders and elected officials, has slipped from 106 in December to 23 now, according to an Associated Press tally.
"If you have any, any kind of loyalty to the Democratic Party, perhaps you need to rethink your strategy and bow out gracefully in order to save this party from a disastrous end in November," Rep. William Lacy Clay (Mo.), an African American Obama supporter, said in an appeal to Clinton.
Clyburn accused Clinton and her husband yesterday of marginalizing black voters and opening a rift between her campaign and an African American Democratic base that strongly backed Bill Clinton's presidency. Some surrogates in her camp are trying to render Obama unelectable against the Republican nominee so she could run for the Democratic nomination in 2012, he suggested. The discussion flared up yet again when Bill Clinton suggested this week that Obama's campaign had played "the race card" after the former president compared the candidate to Jesse Jackson after the South Carolina primary.
"We keep talking as if it doesn't matter, it doesn't matter that Obama gets 92 percent of the black vote, because since he only got 35 percent of the white vote, he's in trouble," Clyburn said. "Well, Hillary Clinton only got 8 percent of the black vote. . . . It's almost saying black people don't matter. The only thing that matters is how white people respond. And that's what bothered me. I think I matter."
The reemergence of the Rev. Jeremiah A. Wright Jr., Obama's controversial former longtime pastor, in an appearance on PBS last night may only fan the dispute.
"When something is taken like a sound bite for a political purpose and put constantly over and over again, looped in the face of the public, that's not a failure to communicate," Wright said in an appearance with Bill Moyers. "Those who are doing that are communicating exactly what they want to do, which is to paint me as some sort of fanatic or as the learned journalist from the New York Times called me, a 'wackadoodle.' "
Both campaigns sought yesterday to tamp down a race controversy, appealing for Democrats to stay focused on winning back the White House.
"I never believe in irreparable breaches. I'm a big believer in reconciliation and redemption," Obama told reporters in Indianapolis. "So, look, this has been a fierce contest. I've said repeatedly: Come August, there will be a whole lot of people standing on a stage with a lot of balloons and confetti raining down on the Democratic nominee, and people are going to be excited about taking on John McCain in November."
Campaigning for Clinton in Gary, Ind., yesterday, Rep. Stephanie Tubbs Jones (Ohio), who is black, said she does not share her colleagues' concerns. "I don't think Bill and Hillary Clinton will 'do anything' to win this election," she said. "They are trying to be successful, but I disagree they will do anything or they are trying to hurt Barack Obama." She added that black voters "are not a monolith, and we recognize the importance of this election."
There are signs that the anger voiced by some African Americans is beginning to extend to the Democratic donor base. Campaign finance records released this week show that a growing number of Clinton's early supporters migrated to Obama in March, after he achieved 11 straight victories. Of those who had previously made maximum contributions to Clinton, 73 wrote their first checks to Obama in March. The reverse was not true: Of those who had made large contributions to Obama last year, none wrote checks to Clinton in March.
"I think she is destroying the Democratic Party," said New York lawyer Daniel Berger, who had backed Clinton with the maximum allowable donation of $2,300. "That there's no way for her to win this election except by destroying [Obama], I just don't like it. So in my own little way, I'm trying to send her a message."
The message came in the form of a $2,300 contribution to Obama.
Donors are not the only ones who have made the leap. Gabriel Guerra-Mondragón served as an ambassador to Chile during Bill Clinton's presidency, considered himself a close friend of Sen. Clinton, and became a "Hill-raiser" by bringing in about $500,000 for her presidential bid.
But he had a fitful few weeks as the battle between Clinton and Obama turned increasingly negative. Last week, he decided he had seen enough.
"We're just bleeding each other out," Guerra-Mondragón said when asked why he had decided to join Obama's finance committee. "Looking at it as coldly as I can, I just don't see how Senator Clinton can overcome Senator Obama with delegates and popular votes. I want this fight to be over -- the quicker, the better."
The Obama converts include William Louis-Dreyfus. The billionaire New York financier said he had been impressed by Clinton's performance in the Senate and distressed by eight years of the Bush administration when he donated the maximum to her campaign last August. Then, he said, he began watching more closely.
"However much one might have supported the Clintons, or one might support the usual suspects in the Democratic Party, I began to believe Obama represents a new approach. He gives off such a sense of relevance that he's sort of irresistible," Louis-Dreyfus said.
He also expressed, as did other big givers who crossed to Obama, exasperation about the tone of the Clinton campaign and frustration with the candidate herself.
"At the end of the day, all she had to do was open her mouth for me not to believe her," Louis-Dreyfus said.
Staff writers Perry Bacon Jr., traveling with Clinton, and Alec MacGillis, traveling with Obama, contributed to this report.
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Here we are
As an Al Gore supporter, I really didn't know who I would support when I finally came to grips with the fact that Gore wouldn't be a candidate this year. Ever since the Iowa primary I have been increasingly impressed with Senator Obama and increasingly distressed with Senator Clinton. Obama has ran the better campaign and has won. Hillary hasn't admitted it yet, she still has money to raise, but Barack Obama is the de facto nominee and will be the nominee de jure soon.
The bad news is that Hillary becoming the nominee by superdelegates over-riding the pledged delegates would indeed cause severe injury to the Democratic party. The good news is that won't ever happen. Obama will win North Carolina, Oregon, Montana, South Dakota, and probably Indiana.
For years African-Americans have been loyal supporters of the Democratic Party. Some have suggested that Democrats have asked for African-American support, but would never really nominate a person of color to be president. Well, guess what? It was no empty promise, it's going to be a reality ;-)
Let's say it together -- President Obama
I agree but
Barack Paster may be too offensive for white America; he is too offensive for me. Talk radio changed my perspective. I didn't see a difference between Black Nationalist & repugnant conservatives... I still don't.
I am trying to be fair, but the pastor's latest point about the differences between black brains & white brains is too ridiculously it feeds into black failure in ways that I don't want my kids learning.
There is no difference between a black brain & a white brain. I wouldn't have no problem condemning the pastor & let the chips fall where they may.
I am asking myself if Conservatism is a cult then what is Black Nationalism? it don't take a rocket scientist to figure this one.
P.S. Getting my info from mostly repugs is a tough pill to swallow.
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disagreement without condemnation
I like the distinction Obama is making in disagreeing with some of Reverend Wright's remarks without condemning him as a person. Frankly, I don't know all that much about Rev Wright and I have more important things to think about. If Jeremiah Wright was running for office that would be a different matter. He's not. He's a pastor in Chicago. Pretty much I see that the focus on Wright is an attempt to find something, anything, to throw at Barack and make it stick. If this is the best they can do, then I feel pretty comfortable.
You are 100% right
I tried to remove the post but it is too late
If MC Cain had a white pastor who was a White Nationalist, I would be afraid of him & his pastor. In fact, I would be saying many of the things repugs are saying about Barack Obama.
Mc Cain is trying to one up Obama, because Obama is vulnerable right now. blacks are the only people that buy into the propaganda, Hispanic don't, even though we live in the same communities.
Most minorities & most blacks are in tune when it comes to the American dream. But, they differ when we get to going to the extreme with our blackness.
The problem comes when we start looking at issues in black & white. We throw in a few snippets in an attempt to pander to the other minorities, giving them the impression that we are all in the same boat.
The black nationalist have a problem; they have a double standard & they refuse to admit it.
Take the false images of the white Jesus. Most blacks are insulted by those false images. But, they find logic in their image of a black Jesus. Since no one knows the real color of Jesus, why shouldn't the other races be insulted by the new image of a black Jesus?
Those who believe in the black Jesus have a problem with others being offended with their new version of Jesus. They haven't realized that other minorities & whites, who stood with them in protest of the white false images are now feeling the same way about the new black image of Jesus.
The noble cause that many white were fighting against has turned upside down. The double standard has been making it easy for white demagogues like repug talk radio host to undermine their cause, just as it was easy to flip the script on bu$h.
Most black nationalist can't understand why they can't love their race like the Irish or Germans. Yet, they don't hear the Irish & the Germans trying practically impose their views on America or trashing America for its past.
At some point they are going to have to do what they consistently pray to God for... FORGIVENESS!
The problem Barack Obama has is that they all know that a politician will tell them what they want to hear.
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AG4G: Please Explain Away the Mayors Dishonesty
Transcript: Nutter, Daschle on 'FOX News Sunday'
Sunday , April 13, 2008
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WASHINGTON —
The following is a partial transcript of the April 13, 2008, edition of "FOX News Sunday With Chris Wallace":
"FOX NEWS SUNDAY" HOST CHRIS WALLACE: Here to discuss it is former Senate Majority Leader Tom Daschle, national co-chair of the Obama campaign, and Philadelphia Mayor Michael Nutter, a Clinton supporter from joins us from his city.
Well, gentlemen, let's start with the latest controversy over comments that Barack Obama made last Sunday at a California fundraiser, where he talked about small towns in Pennsylvania that have lost jobs and that he says Washington has failed. Here they are.
(BEGIN AUDIO CLIP)
SEN. BARACK OBAMA, D-ILL.: It's not surprising, then, that they get bitter — they cling to guns, or religion, or antipathy toward people who aren't like them, or anti-immigrant sentiment, or antitrade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.
(END AUDIO CLIP)
WALLACE: Mayor Nutter, Barack Obama now says that he regrets not the remarks, but the way that he phrased them. How damaging is this whole controversy in Pennsylvania?
PHILADELPHIA MAYOR MICHAEL NUTTER: Well, it's hard to completely assess the damage. Of course, that will be left to the voters. But certainly, it seems damaging to the campaign.
I'm certainly saddened to hear those kinds of comments. I've lived in Philadelphia and, of course, Pennsylvania for almost 51 years. They don't represent the thoughts of people throughout this great commonwealth.
And I don't understand why Senator Obama would make such comments. I'm sure he can explain them for himself.
WALLACE: But, Mayor, specifically what do you find objectionable?
NUTTER: Well, they don't represent the views of small-town America or certainly even folks here in Philadelphia or in our nearby suburbs.
People are optimistic about the future. They have a lot to look forward to. They're energized about this campaign. They're looking for and want to support a candidate who supports their issues and concerns.
I've talked about this urban agenda and urban conversation. So it just demonstrates a complete misunderstanding of what small-town America is about.
WALLACE: Senator Daschle, Hillary Clinton, not surprisingly, went after Obama big time this weekend already. She said that these comments were elitist and out of touch. Let's watch.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
SEN. HILLARY RODHAM CLINTON, D-N.Y.: The people of faith whom I know don't cling to religion because they're bitter. In fact, they embrace their faith because it gives them so much in return.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
WALLACE: Obama says that he regrets the phrases he used, that his words were ill-chosen.
But let's talk about the deeper meaning there. Does he believe that people in small towns and depressed areas turn to guns or turn to religion out of frustration?
FORMER SEN. TOM DASCHLE, D-S.D.: Well, Chris, first of all, you've got to remember that this is a man who was raised by a single mother, who chose — who volunteered to work in one of the poorest neighborhoods of Chicago, who spent his whole life working with the disenfranchised.
This is a man who understands when you go into an emergency room and you see people lined up in the hallways, there's something wrong, who understands that we've got 80 percent unemployment on reservations, who understands that 81 percent of the American people think we're on the wrong track.
So there may be some optimistic people out there like Mayor Nutter suggests, but I will tell you the vast majority of the people in this country want to see change. They think that Washington is out of sync with their lives, who want to see...
WALLACE: I understand the economic frustration, but what about this comment that people turn to guns and to religion out of frustration? I mean, don't people turn to guns and religion because they mean something to them?
DASCHLE: Well, what he was saying is that there are those who use guns and religion, use faith and guns, as a divisive issue.
And when you're angry, when you feel disenfranchised, you're more susceptible to those kinds of divisive politics, that those who thrive on that divisive nature of these emotional issues really are the ones that he was faulting here, not the people that hear this.
But there is a great deal of anger out there, a great deal of sentiment that we've got to see change in this country, and that unless Washington breaks with its past and accepts the fact that this sentiment is really deep-seated, it's palpable, we're not going to see the change we need in this country.
WALLACE: Mayor Nutter, does that explain it to you?
NUTTER: No. And as a matter of fact, I've not heard any of that kind of conversation during the course of this campaign here in Pennsylvania. I mean, that's not what people are talking about.
People are talking about, whether in small-town Pennsylvania or some of the larger cities like Philadelphia and Pittsburgh — we're talking about real issues and real concerns.
They're concerned about public safety. They worry about their education of their children. They want to see who has ideas about jobs and economic development to bring our economy back and turn our big cities and small towns around, going in a positive direction.
So I don't know where this is coming from. I don't know what would possess Senator Obama to say this, because you won't see it, you don't hear it, in the course of dialogue of real people in these cities.
I know he took a six-day bus tour, but clearly he does not understand what's going on here in Pennsylvania and expressing the concerns of real people on the ground.
WALLACE: Senator Daschle, Obama already had a problem reaching out to white working-class Democrats, the so-called Reagan Democrats. Aren't these comments going to make it even harder?
DASCHLE: Just the opposite, Chris. I really think Mayor Nutter ought to go to his own emergency room. He ought to go to the unemployment lines today in Philadelphia where people are standing in line without the hope of a good job.
They ought to worry about the jobs being displaced and being sent overseas. You know, obviously, people are — want to be hopeful, and that's really the message of the Obama campaign, why the Obama campaign has such traction, because he talks about hope.
But you know, if things are so rosy, why change? Let's just have a third Bush administration. That's really what...
WALLACE: Mayor Nutter, I want to bring something else...
NUTTER: Chris, with every respect...
WALLACE: Mayor Nutter?
NUTTER: Yes, sir. Go ahead.
WALLACE: Mayor Nutter, may I please ask — bring something else into this? Because one of the issues I think you would agree that a lot of workers in Pennsylvania and across the country are worried about is trade.
Now, Senator Clinton says that she's against the trade deal with Colombia, but her chief strategist, Mark Penn, was actually working for the deal, helping Colombia, when he was still working with the campaign, which he still is, at the same time that he was advising Clinton.
We now find out that former President Clinton got paid $800,000 by a Colombia group to support and promote the free trade deal. So Senator Clinton doesn't exactly have clean hands on these issues either, does she?
NUTTER: Well, first, I would say Senator Clinton is an independent person. She'll exercise independent judgment. Mr. Penn — I think that issue has been dealt with.
Senator Clinton stands on her own as an independent person, and so her position on these issues is very clear. She's talked about fair trade, that NAFTA needs to be renegotiated. And so her position I think goes without question.
But I would go back again and say, with every respect to Senator Daschle, I've been to a few emergency rooms. I've walked the streets of Philadelphia. And just because people are having problems doesn't mean, as Senator Obama has articulated, that they're turning to their religion or to guns as a means of expressing something.
There's a rich history of sportsmanship and legal gun use all across Pennsylvania. People support their religion because of deep faith. And so there is a complete disconnect here, with every respect to Senator Daschle, who I've admired for a long time.
WALLACE: They clearly feel that they have got the hammer in their hands on this one. You can hear it from Senator Clinton. You can hear it from Mayor Nutter. I mean, this is a problem for the Obama campaign.
DASCHLE: Well, Chris, of course, you can distort what Senator Obama said, and that's really what we're hearing again this morning. That isn't what Senator Obama said.
What Senator Obama said is that faith and guns are very important. He has talked about that for the entire campaign. He has spoken specifically to his own faith and how important it is to him. He understands that.
But what he's saying is that there are those who use these issues as very, very divisive issues to try to disenfranchise further the people that are susceptible to that.
I can see why Mayor Nutter would change the subject on Colombia. People don't like to be misled. They don't like it when they're not told the truth. I mean, the fact is that Hillary Clinton has a questionable record with regard to Colombia.
Her own top adviser, Mark Penn, was fired recently for advocating for Colombia. So you've got her adviser advocating for Colombia, Hillary Clinton saying that she supports the effort not to pass the Colombian free trade agreement.
I think the people of Pennsylvania, the people of the country, really deserve a better explanation than the one we've gotten.
WALLACE: All right. We've got a little bit more than a minute left, and let me get you both to do a little forecasting.
Mayor Nutter, the RealClearPolitics average of recent polls — and let's put it up on the screen. The most recent average shows that the race had, at least before this latest controversy, tightened.
Obama was closing the gap with Clinton, who once led by double digits, and now, according to the most recent polls, which predate this controversy, she now leads by seven points.
Your sense: Is the race tightening? Does Clinton have a safe lead? What do you think this is going to do, this latest controversy, to the primary in Pennsylvania?
NUTTER: Well, people will continue to assess that during the course of the week. You always expect these races, especially in Pennsylvania, to tighten.
But the reason Senator Clinton is doing very well in Pennsylvania is, one, because she understands the state; two, she was here the other day talking about issues of substance that people really care about — public safety, and urban economic issues. She understands it.
And as I've said on T.V., she gets it. She knows what really is going on all across the state.
WALLACE: Mayor, let me bring in Senator Daschle for one — basically, to get him to respond to that.
If Obama loses Pennsylvania after losing Ohio, and if again he shows weakness among white working-class Democrats, especially after this latest controversy, isn't that serious trouble?
DASCHLE: Chris, he's won the popular vote. He's won by far the vast majority of the states all across this country. Look. Pennsylvania is Hillary Clinton's second state. She's lived there for virtually her whole life in and out.
So we've always known this is a very, very heavy lift.
WALLACE: Pennsylvania is her second — I thought Arkansas was her second state.
DASCHLE: Well, she's had a lot of second states. She's claiming it as her second state these days.
NUTTER: I can see why Senator Daschle might want to use that as the excuse.
WALLACE: All right. In any case, we're going to have to leave it there.
Mayor Nutter, Senator Daschle, thank you so much, both of you, for talking with us today.
NUTTER: Thank you.
DASCHLE: Thank you, Chris.
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Great Morning ArtyGreen4Gore
I was listening to the repug talk show called The Armstrong & Getty Show, & they reported that John McCain is asking his supporters to lighten up on Hillary; he thinks that she is easier to beat.
You should know that you have a loser when the opposition is trying to help your loser win so they can defeat the pugnacious Clintons & her deceptive clones.
I know that you are hoping & praying for a miracle but it has already happened... she is losing.
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Plan B
Unfortunately, Al Gore is not running for office this year. He would have been, and is, the best person to be president. Now however, it's time to face reality; Al isn't running and Barack Obama has defeated Hillary Clinton. Senator Clinton can drag this contest out to the bitter end if she chooses, but it won't help her, the party, or the nation. Obama has won the nomination by running a more effective, more positive, and more creative campaign. Not many had the courage and judgment to speak out against the invasion and occupation of Iraq before the March 2003 invasion. Senator Clinton didn't. Al Gore and Barack Obama were among the few who did. This is what Barack Obama said: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EhpKmQCCwB8
On the other hand look at the Mark Penn scandal and look at what Hillary Clinton said: http://current.com/items/88878461_hillary_s_clear_position_on_nafta_and_...
She's done
I say it's time to come together and support our nominee, the next President of the United States -- Barack Obama
Democrats United for Change 2008
Clinton leadership a study in missteps
By: Jim VandeHei and David Paul Kuhn
April 9, 2008 10:23 AM EST
Hillary Rodham Clinton wants voters to decide the nomination based on who can coolly and competently run the country. She had better hope they don’t study her recent campaign too closely for the answer.
Clinton has overseen two major staff shake-ups in two months. She has left a trail of unpaid bills and unhappy vendors and had to loan her own campaign $5 million to keep it afloat in January. Her campaign badly underestimated her main adversary, Barack Obama, miscalculated the importance of organizing caucus states and was caught flat-footed after failing to lock up the nomination on Super Tuesday.
It would be easy to dismiss all of this as fairly conventional political stumbling — if she hadn’t made her supreme readiness and managerial competence the central issue of her presidential campaign.
But since she has, a growing number of Democrats are comparing the Clinton and Obama campaigns — their first real exercise in executive leadership — and rendering harsh assessments of her stewardship.
In twin columns in Tuesday’s Washington Post, left-of-center columnists Peter Beinart and E.J. Dionne Jr. condemned Clinton’s overall management of the campaign and inability to build a durable message and infrastructure. It’s a common theme in Democratic circles these days.
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“Any time you are involved in a long campaign, there are going to be major substantive and procedural gaffes,” says former Democratic Rep. David Bonior, an uncommitted superdelegate who served as the campaign manager to John Edwards. “The question is how a campaign handles those gaffes and how a candidate handles them. And I think it’s fair to say that Sen. Obama has handled [his] problems better than Sen. Clinton.”
Obama can rightly claim he has run a more consistent, disciplined and technologically savvy campaign. While Clinton has blown though nearly a half-dozen campaign slogans and failed to put concerns about her credibility to rest, he has clung to essentially the same leadership and governing message he outlined in his 2004 speech at the Democratic convention. There has been little drama inside his operation — or at least if there was, it has been kept largely concealed.
“In every campaign, the strategy is important and the day-to-day management is important. And in Obama’s case, it’s hard not to argue that they have run a great campaign,” said Steve Elmendorf, deputy campaign manager for Kerry’s 2004 bid and a Clinton supporter. “It’s been one of the best-run presidential campaigns in the last 20 years. I think they are focused and disciplined and on message. … The test of a good campaign is having a plan and keeping an operation on track to execute a plan.”
Put simply, Obama has shown he can offer a compelling vision, execute a complicated strategy to convey it and, all the while, keep the ledger in the black. That’s not a bad first step to becoming a strong leader.
There is no question he has stumbled in ways that will haunt him in the general election. His handling of the Tony Rezko affair was exceptionally clumsy. It’s still puzzling why he was so cozy with a known influence-peddler and why it took so long to make all of the details clear and public.
His relationship with the Rev. Jeremiah Wright — his pastor who railed against America and accused the government of purposely spreading AIDS to kill blacks — is a ticking general election time bomb. For now, though, many are praising his efforts to defuse it and move forward.
“Under different circumstances, that would wreck a campaign if not handled right. And so far, it’s not been a mortal wound,” said Dennis Johnson, professor of political management at George Washington University. “It seems to me it’s been a much smarter-run campaign.”
The Clinton campaign, by contrast, has been marked by strategic missteps, financial uncertainty and personnel drama. Its strengths — a supremely disciplined candidate and remarkable fundraising — have been undermined by other aspects of the enterprise, such as a headstrong, factionalized staff and a spendthrift approach. The conventional wisdom once held that it was Bill Clinton who was chronically improvisational and unable to run a tight ship. That flaw, it seems, runs in the family.
Strategist Mark Penn’s ouster was the latest staff dispute to unfold in the media, accompanied by a surplus of finger-pointing and a divulging of private details by aggrieved insiders. The pattern was a familiar one, having surfaced after Clinton’s Iowa loss and right before Clinton jettisoned Patti Solis Doyle as campaign manager.
Howard Wolfson, a top Clinton aide, acknowledges that in a campaign, blame ultimately resides at the top. But he also contends that it’s important to appreciate the value of a candidate who has the self-confidence to allow dissenting voices within the leadership structure and who accepts responsibility for tough choices — such as ousting longtime friends and advisers when they become ineffective.
“It is fair to say that every candidate is ultimately responsible for what his campaign does or doesn’t do,” said Wolfson. But, he noted, “The number of times that I’ve read [of] Sen. Obama blaming his staff for problems in his campaign, I can’t even count.”
In interviews, several veteran Democratic strategists said the business of running a campaign offers limited insight into a candidate’s performance in the White House.
And Clinton’s defenders argue that the relatively smooth-running Obama operation obscures the reality that the first-term Illinois senator is an untested, naive politician who showed little spine or genius during his unremarkable four years in the U.S. Senate. Clinton loyalists think the Obama story has a predictable conclusion: He gets torn apart by a ruthless GOP and crushed in the general election.
All of this could be true. But it is also true that a fair measurement of the candidates’ leadership skills is their management of their campaign. Easily the largest enterprise they have run in their lives — in February alone, Obama had 1,280 paid employees, at a cost of $2.61 million; Clinton had 935 employees and a monthly payroll of $1.63 million — the campaign reveals flaws and strengths that will only be magnified in the Oval Office.
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If Obama is Anti-War Why did He Campaign for Liebereman against the Anti-War Candidate Lammont? In a speach on that campaign stop he called Lieberman his mentor? What does that say about Obama's anti-war commitment?
Obama Not Sure What Iraq Vote Would Have Been
http://pop.youtube.com/watch?v=XbO-kgB-ZI4
Say the right thing at the right time to the right people… OK…is that honest? Is that an anti-war candidate or not? Seems Not! Seems like a campaign decision, so I’m not impressed, to say the least.
Transcript for January 22
Barack Obama, James Carville, Paul Begala & Mary Matalin
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10909406/
Obama…If Nothing Else Please Look At The Links…
I don’t trust Barack Obama. Not because he’s Black, not because he’s 47, but because I noticed, what he says and how he votes, are not in alignment – that spells ingenuous to me. What he claims about his background, and what he says, are not consistent. So I’ve concluded he’s not different, he’s better at manipulating public opinion than most. That doesn’t make me confident about Obama.
If nothing else Please look at the links, and you decide, if you thing Obama is being honest with the American public. I like Hillary. She’s not a rock star but her speeches match her performance, so I trust her to work hard to lead us to a better life and focus on peace an prosperity. Obama gets his funding from Wall Street and Banks, and is not the grass roots politician he claims to be. Hillary is no Saint, but neither does she claim to be. That’s my biggest problem with Obama hardly any of his claims to differentiate himself are really true. Hillary at least is down-to-earth and telling it as it is and that straight-forward approach seems better to me. From her record I see she works for change, from Obama I see he claims he will work for change. I’m not the gambling type.
Obama's fundraisers include big fish
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/chi-070725obama,1,5894874...
Obama Doesn’t Take Special Interest Money?
http://agonist.org/timgatto/20080221/obama_doesnnt_take_special_interest...
Now a Solar Design Consultant involved in Sustainable Development, I was in advertising for some years, and am wary of candidates with Themes like: Change, Hope, Different. It sounds too much like: New, Improved, Better, Best, and too many products – Good and Bad make that claim,. I wanted to like Obama but he sounded too good to be true, As he was the least experienced candidate to run in modern times, I started reading a lot and have found him to be someone who came to Chicago from NY to team with David Axelrod, to craft a strategy to climb the political ladder to the Presidency… as fast as he can. That does not give me confidence in his ability to lead the USA.
Substance Abuse
April 1, 2008
A widely forwarded e-mail claims that Obama's bills are more substantive and numerous than Clinton's. Don't believe it.
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/substance_abuse.html
Obama and Me
It was the year 2000, and I was a young, hungry reporter in Chicago with a young, hungry state legislator on my speed dial
http://www.dallasobserver.com/2008-02-28/news/obama-and-me/
Obama’s main claim to differentiate himself from the war is that he did not vote for the unpopular war… but more accurate is that he was not yet a Senator, so he did not have to vote in that matter.
He uses this as proof that he has good judgment, and if that’s all he’s got to prove his good judgment, I’m concerned, because it’s a slim thread, at best. I’m a peace activist and what I do see is that he does not stand up for peace or protest the war now that he does have a vote.
Obama on Lieberman
http://pop.youtube.com/watch?v=Docxj3b5xY8
And in March 2006, Obama went out of his way to travel to Connecticut to campaign for Senator Joseph Lieberman who faced a tough challenge by anti-war candidate Ned Lamont. At a Democratic Party dinner attended by Lamont, Obama called Lieberman “his mentor” and urged those in attendance to vote and give financial contributions to him. This is the same Lieberman who Alexander Cockburn called “Bush’s closest Democratic ally on the Iraq War.” Why would Obama have done that if he were truly against the war?
The Obama Craze: Count Me Out: THE WAR IN IRAQ
http://quartz.he.net/~beyondch/news/index.php?itemid=5413
Obama Not Sure What Iraq Vote Would Have Been
http://pop.youtube.com/watch?v=XbO-kgB-ZI4
What Would Obama Have Done? Voted for the War and Lied About It – Just Like Hillary
http://www.blackagendareport.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&...
Hillary is a NY Senator. After 9-11 was Hillary in a position to oppose the Evidence Clinton Powell was presenting, and tell her constituents in NY, everyone else voted for the war but I did not? Of course she’s against the war now.
Obama claims he is so positive but he targets by age and race, claims that is not so, and surrogate groups are pressuring Delegates. Black voters are being pressured that you are born to vote for Obama, rather than having the freedom of an independent choice. Obama is aware of the bullying. How could he not be?
For Black Superdelegates, Pressure to Back Obama
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/03/02/AR200803...
Vote for Barack Obama because you're Black...I'm not!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hVPPxEtuEeM&feature=related
Why As A Black Man I Vote CLINTON
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mRrDlEVRguk
http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/03/24/barack-i-didnt-know-obama/
Black backers steadfast for Clinton
http://dyn.politico.com/printstory.cfm?uuid=62619699-3048-5C12-001FF2E54...
Philly's Mayor talks about supporting Hillary
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XaHQtwZQ8mM
St. Obama Learns the Washington Ways
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2008/02/st_obama_learns_the_wa...
YouTube - Obama: There Will Be Bamboozling II
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Y7OFLl3asg
When I wonder how this election will help US, and I think about hwo is best, I now look beyond Obama’s claims and that he is younger, and says what I want to hear, and focus on who is more likely to change the staus Quo and I belive that’s Hillary.
Energy Independance
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j1PfE9K8j0g
Al Gore would be unstoppable by the GOP
First let me say, and I'm sure that many of you here wholeheartedly agree, Al Gore is our LEGITIMATE President and has been since the election was stolen from him in 2000. Our world has become incalculably more dangerous and toxic since Bush having taken office in 2001. I went with my late wife, who died of cancer in 2003, on a cold and rainy Tuesday evening in November 2000 for us both without hesitation cast our votes for Al Gore. Today I look back with sadness that our votes only gave us a good conscience, and I also look to the future as I now have a son who is two years old, named Robert Francis Campbell. I want a better world for my son. I was a John Edwards supporter until he saw that big-business and big-media were determined to silence him. Al Gore is the only hope we democrats have this coming November to defeat the GOP and the dangerous world vision of John McCain. In my opinion a Gore/Edwards ticket would be unstoppable, but I do not doubt that anyone on Al Gore's ticket would be anything but a consistent boostto his appeal. Al Gore is a Rhodes Scholar, a Vietnam Era Veteran, a Nobel Prize winner, served 8 years as an active vice-president, and served in both the US House and the US Senate. His resume is incredible, his vision and energy are urgently needed at the forefront of our nation's leadership. We need him as our President. The entire world would respect this man's integrity and get us back on the road to international respectability.
As a personal appeal to Mr. Gore and anyone of vision and influence with our party, please become vocal and active in bringing this opportunity to reality. Our earth, our children, and the children of the entire world will judge this missed opportunity with puzzlement and scorn if we do not act.
No it is not to late for Al Gore to announce his candidacy. The nomination is as up for grabs as it was in 1968 when Bobby Kennedy was a relatively late candidate to enter the race, and had he not been assassinated, without a doubt would have been elected President. RFK turned the election momentum around to his vision by winning the hearts of the voters by hitting the streets. Al Gore can enter now and will be warmly received and elected as our president.
Please check out the following:
Rod Bailey
http://groups.yahoo.com/groups/DraftGore08/. A number of us, mostly through contact at the Democratic Underground, have formed this Yahoo group to organize, if the situation seems to call for it, a letter writing effort to the super delegates to remind them that Al Gore is the unifyier that the Party needs and a sure winner in November. If the convention goes past the 1st ballot, anything can happen, including Al Gore's name being introduced as a nominee. See the postings at the Yahoo group site and join us in our effort if you want.
You can contact me directly at rbailey22@rochester.rr.com if you want.
Hey Black Cell... You are too cool... You know I love you ;-)
One thing people aren't focusing on when the demand Hillary drop out, is all the new Democratic voters that are being registered State by State. That's good for Democrats. Obama's worried because he's afraid of losing credibility and support as time goes on. That's how I see it.
Have you seen this?
(I had to Watch this 2X’s to Really Get it all)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Y7OFLl3asg&eurl=http://www.debbieschluss...
Substance Abuse
April 1, 2008
A widely forwarded e-mail claims that Obama's bills are more substantive and numerous than Clinton's. Don't believe it.
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/substance_abuse.html
Obama's dropping Al Gore's name Nnw for a perceived endorsement... Hmmmm....
LOL
Your links remind me of the times when Democrats tried to hard to make something out of nothing.
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My Apology
Forgive me for being too harsh in the LOL post ArtyGreen4Gore, I had one of those moments where I didn't see teammate in my friend.
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We need more excerpts than a few minutes staws for you to grasp
Hillary Clinton's campaign uses pastor scandal to undermine Barack Obama
By Toby Harnden in Washington
Last Updated: 1:57am GMT 22/03/2008
Hillary Clinton's campaign has seized on the fallout from the furore over Barack Obama's pastor to argue that her Democratic rival would be dangerously vulnerable in a presidential election against John McCain.
Barack Obama with the Rev Jeremiah Wright: Hillary Clinton's campaign uses pastor scandal to undermine Obama
Barack Obama with the Rev Jeremiah Wright
While ordering staff not to comment directly on the controversy surrounding the inflammatory black liberation rhetoric of the Reverend Jeremiah Wright, senior Clinton aides have privately made the case to Democratic officials that nominating Mr Obama would be a reckless gamble.
Their aim is to convince "super-delegates" - senior party officials who have a say in who is to be the Democratic nominee - to overturn the verdict of the pledged delegates, allocated by vote totals.
Mr Obama's lead of 168 pledged delegates is all but insurmountable in the remaining 10 contests.
The Clinton campaign has claimed on its website that Mr Obama himself conceded he was less electable than Mrs Clinton by telling CNN: "In some ways this, this controversy has actually shaken me up a little bit and gotten me back into remembering that the odds of me getting elected have always been lower than some of the other conventional candidates."
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Debate about the comments has continued to rage despite Mr Obama's powerful and well-received speech on Tuesday on race, given in reaction to outrage over newly-broadcast videos of Mr Wright's sermons.
Although Mr Obama said in the address he had "heard remarks that could be considered controversial while I sat in the church" he has so far not specified what these remarks were and whether he challenged Mr Wright about any of them.
Mr Obama has said he was not present for and had not known about Mr Wright's call to "God damn America", his depiction of his country as the "US of KKK" or blaming the US government for giving blacks the Aids virus.
After the sermons were broadcast, Mr Wright stepped down from the Obama campaign's "African-American Religious Leadership Committee".
Mr Obama became the undisputed Democratic front-runner after his string of 11 primary victories in February,
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However, opinion polls indicate that Mrs Clinton has gained ground since she won Ohio and Texas elections on March 4th. It is unclear how much Mr Obama's association with Mr Wright, his pastor for 17 years, has damaged him.
A new Gallup poll indicated that Mrs Clinton had regained her national advantage over Mr Obama for the first time in a month, leading by 49 per cent to 42 per cent. This represents a 13-point swing towards the former First Lady in under a fortnight.
Clinton aides have parried any attempts to be drawn into talking about Mr Wright beyond Mrs Clinton's anodyne remark that approved of the speech, which Mr Obama's advisors said he penned personally.
When asked whether the Wright affair was responsible for his poll slippage, Mark Penn, Mrs Clinton's chief strategist, said that "you can't pick out any single issue".
Some close allies of Mrs Clinton, however, have criticised the speech.
Geraldine Ferraro, who resigned from the Clinton campaign recently after saying that Mr Obama was only winning the Democratic race because he was black, said she was outraged to have been cited in the same breath as Mr Wright.
Clinton camp uses pastor scandal to undermine Obama
Hillary Clinton has seized on the row but has
been cautious in her public comments
"To equate what I said with what this racist bigot has said from the pulpit is unbelievable," she told the Daily Breeze newspaper. "He gave a very good speech on race relations, but he did not address the fact that this man is up there spewing hatred."
Lanny Davis, a Clinton loyalist and friend of the former First Lady since 1970, directed two pointed questions at Mr Obama in an internet article.
The first was whether Mr Obama would support a candidate who was the member of a congregation led by a white racist minister and the second whether he would support a candidate who has appointed a white racist minister as an adviser.
If Mr Obama would not answer the questions now, Mr Davis said, he would be required to answer them in a contest against Mr McCain, the Republican nominee, in November.
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Hi Black Cell :-)
I'm not sure why you posted that article considering... well you know (the author is not a Democrat to put it mildly -- but I do agree with what she says)... I always enjoy communicating with you, as we do, from time to time ;-) So thanks!
The Black Press are not all Impressed with Obama
Obama Plays a Crooked Game
http://www.blackagendareport.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&...
Not All Progressives are Impressed with Obama
The Obama Craze: Count Me Out
by Matt Gonzalez‚ Feb. 27‚ 2008
http://www.beyondchron.org/articles/The_Obama_Craze_Count_Me_Out_5413.ht...
I do think Hillary is being swift boated. AG seems to think there are 5 months left and does not feel that allowing the campaigns to run their courses is a big problem.
Obama said Friday that this election was like a good movie that had gone on about a half-hour too long but Clinton quipped back, “I like long movies.” Good for Hillary. Her position shows more courage, and a president needs courage and not all the problems in the USA are easy to solve, and being President will require a solutions oriented approach and patience.
Obama does a lot of double-talk and so he loses me on credibility along with the fact that Hillary may not be a Rock Star, but her speeches generally match her actions and voting records and that makes me more comfortable; Versus Obama talking about Change (of course we all want change) and Hope (who would deny hope is good) but he does not back any of his rhetoric up in the real world. So yes I have faith, but not in Obama offering change I can believe in.
Did Obama Trump this Up in a Slow News Week to have a reason to post pictures of he and Condoleeza Rice all over the Internet?
Chief of firm involved in breach is Obama adviser
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/03/22/passport.files/index.html?section...
Maybe I was right about McCain/Rice the press is starting to talk about that. Women carry a lot of votes, and don't like to see sexism over solutions. Could that be a factor in this race? Because Obama is the least experienced man to run for President in Modern times, and Experience usually trumps hyperbole. No matter how you slice it Hillary has 6 years more experience in the Senate that Obama. In the end Obama may have been sorry he ridiculed Hillary to suggest a Hillary/Obama ticket.
Good West Coast Morning ArtyGreen4Gore
Fight your little heart out my friend. Just remember that the ultimate goal is to defeat the failed Bu$h policies that are slowly weakening our infrastructure in ALL three levels in OUR (repugs too) Government.
Fight on ArtySmartyPants!!
Obama Camp Pressuring Black Senators and Delegates
This doesn't seem too cool to me...
Black backers steadfast for Clinton
http://dyn.politico.com/printstory.cfm?uuid=62619699-3048-5C12-001FF2E54...
Black delegates under pressure to switch to Obama
http://edition.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/02/29/obama.defections/index.html
Gov. Rendell: Fox is 'most objective' cable network
The Clinton campaign has said before that Fox treats them more fairly than MSNBC, but prominent surrogate Governor Ed Rendell heaped the strongest praise yet on the Murdoch-owned network.
"I think during this entire primary coverage, starting in Iowa and up to the present -- FOX has done the fairest job, and remained the most objective of all the cable networks. You hate both of our candidates. No, I’m only kidding. But you actually have done a very balanced job of reporting the news, and some of the other stations are just caught up with Senator Obama, who is a great guy, but Senator Obama can do no wrong, and Senator Clinton can do no right.”
UPDATE: Rendell must not be so angry at the other networks, even those that many claim are "caught up with Senator Obama." About a half hour ago, he appear on Chris Matthews MSNBC show.
P.S. I watched Randell on Hard Ball & the host asked him would he except an offer to be Obama's vp? Randell said no & admitted that he had a problem with not telling the truth as his reasoning.
Source:Gov. Rendell: Fox is 'most objective' cable network
http://www.politico.com/blogs/michaelcalderone/0308/Gov_Rendell_Fox_is_m...
live free or die trying!
Hillary Shines on the Little Guy by not Paying her Bills
BC: Hillary's message of change is short on change
Cash-strapped Clinton fails to pay bills
By: Kenneth P. Vogel
April 1, 2008 09:05 AM EST
Hillary Rodham Clinton’s cash-strapped presidential campaign has been putting off paying hundreds of bills for months — freeing up cash for critical media buys but also earning the campaign a reputation as something of a deadbeat in some small-business circles.
A pair of Ohio companies owed more than $25,000 by Clinton for staging events for her campaign are warning others in the tight-knit event production community — and anyone else who will listen — to get their cash upfront when doing business with her. Her campaign, say representatives of the two companies, has stopped returning phone calls and e-mails seeking payment of outstanding invoices. One even got no response from a certified letter.
Their cautionary tales, combined with published reports about similar difficulties faced by a New Hampshire landlord, an Iowa office cleaner and a New York caterer, highlight a less-obvious impact of Clinton’s inability to keep up with the staggering fundraising pace set by her opponent for the Democratic presidential nomination, Illinois Sen. Barack Obama.
Clinton's campaign did not respond to recent, specific questions about its transactions with vendors. But Clinton spokesman Jay Carson pointed on Saturday to an earlier statement the campaign issued to Politico, asserting: "The campaign pays its bills regularly and in the normal course of business, and pays all of its bills."
Just like with other businesses, it’s common for campaigns to carry unpaid bills from month to month, but in Clinton’s case, it also could serve a strategic purpose.
The New York senator’s presidential campaign ended February with $33 million in the bank, according to a report filed last week with the Federal Election Commission, but only $11 million of that can be spent on her battle with Obama.
The rest can be spent only in the general election, if she makes it that far, and must be returned if she doesn’t. If she had paid off the $8.7 million in unpaid bills she reported as debt and had not loaned her campaign $5 million, she would have been nearly $3 million in the red at the end of February.
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By contrast, if you subtract Obama’s $625,000 in debts and his general-election-only money from his total cash on hand at the end of last month, he’d still be left with $31 million.
The presidential campaign of presumptive Republican nominee Arizona Sen. John McCain reported $4.3 million in debt at the end of February, but only $1.3 million of that was in the form of unpaid bills to a dozen vendors. The rest was a bank loan, which the campaign says it paid off last week.
It’s not just the size of Clinton’s debts that’s noteworthy. It’s also that her unpaid bills extend beyond the realm of high-priced consultants who typically let bills slide as part of the cost of doing business with powerful clientele whose success is linked to their own.
Some of Clinton’s biggest debts are to pollster and chief strategist Mark Penn, who’s owed $2.5 million; direct mail company MSHC Partners, which is owed $807,000; phone-banking firm Spoken Hub, which is waiting for $771,000; and ad maker Mandy Grunwald, who’s owed $467,000.
Clinton also reported debts more than one month old to a slew of apolitical businesses and organizations, large and small, in the states through which this historically expensive Democratic primary campaign has raged.
She owed Iowa’s Sioux City Art Center Board of Trustees $3,500 for catering and venue costs, New Hampshire’s Winnacunnet Cooperative School District $4,400 in event costs, Qwest $24,000 for phone service, various branches of the Iowa-based supermarket chain Hy-Vee $15,000 for food, beverages and catering, and $7,700 to Ohio and Massachusetts branches of the theatrical stage employees’ union, for equipment costs.
In fact, about a third of the nearly 700 individual debts Clinton reported at the end of February were for various types of “event expenses,” including $319,000 for catering and venue costs, $420,000 for equipment, $11,000 for photography and $9,000 for security.
Event production is important to big-time presidential campaigns. It shapes how candidates look and sound, not just to the thousands of people who turn out to campaign speeches and rallies but also to the millions who catch snippets of them on television.
And word is getting around that Clinton’s campaign does not promptly pay those who labor to make her events look good, said an employee of the event production company Forty Two of Youngstown, Ohio.
“I feel insulted by the way that the campaign treated this company and treated us personally,” said the employee, who did not want to be named talking about a client.
The Clinton campaign paid the company $16,500 to set up a stage, press riser, sound system and backdrops at a Youngstown high school last month for a raucous union rally, where an aggressive Clinton stump speech drew thunderous applause. But the Clinton campaign has yet to pay Forty Two for two other February events, and the employee said the campaign has stopped returning phone calls, e-mails and didn’t respond to a certified letter.
“We worked very hard to put together these events on a moment’s notice and do absolutely everything to a ‘t’ to make it look perfect on television for her and for her campaign,” said the employee. “Sen. Clinton talks about helping working families, people in unions and small businesses. But when it comes down to actually doing something that shows that she can back up her words with action, she fails.”
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Forty Two also has done events for Obama’s campaign, which has paid its bills promptly, according to the employee. FEC records show Obama’s campaign paid the company $18,500.
Show Tyme Exhibits, another Youngstown event production company, has produced political events for years and had never had problems getting paid before Clinton, according to owner Jim Phillips.
He said he’s still waiting for a payment for setting up the sound system and stage for Clinton’s February tour of a General Motors plant in Lordstown, Ohio.
“It was only $607, but I’m a small guy; I could use that,” said Phillips, adding, “Everyone I can tell, I do tell about it. You tell somebody something bad about somebody, they tell 10 other people.”
Both Phillips and the Forty Two employee said they voted for Clinton in Ohio’s March 4 primary, which she won handily, but regret their votes and are reluctant to work for her campaign again.
Their sentiments aren’t universal in the event production world, though.
At the end of January, Clinton owed $38,000 to ACS Sound and Lighting of Columbia, S.C. But the company was paid in full last month and is planning to do events for Clinton in other states, according to manager Troy Gwin.
“We don’t have any problem with them,” he said. “I’d continue to do business after the primaries if she is the nominee. I would love to.”
And Tony Galarza, director of the Missoula, Mont., branch of a national event production company, remained committed to staging an April 6 Clinton fundraising brunch at a local hotel even after a colleague in his company e-mailed a list of Clinton’s campaign debts.
Galarza said he’s confident Clinton will pay his company but admitted he was surprised to see so many event production companies among the campaign’s creditors.
“Once I looked at those numbers, I realized how important to our economy nationally these elections are,” he said. “Just the sheer numbers listed there were immense.”
Editor's note: An earlier version of this story included an incorrect figure for the Clinton campaign's cash on hand at the end of February.
Hillary is not Billary... She is New and She is Different
MM, I respect your opinion and about half the electorate in this primary supports/supported Obama. I feel you don’t like Hillary, for whatever reason but to take the Billary stand seems very unfair to her as a person, a woman, and a rested US Senator.
Bill is not running for President, Hillary is, and to talk of them as one is not fair and not accurate. To me Hillary’s Presidency will be New and Different. I was always impressed that she was the one in Bill’s Presidency to advance the notion of Universal health care and I still trust that she is the leading expert in the USA to get that accomplished. That’s an important that’ to me. She seems courageous and works tirelessly, and I was not impressed that Obama kept trying to get her to drop out before her wins in OH, TX, and RI, because that seemed underhanded and cowardly.
Someone said on the Internet that young people tend to vote in a collective because they hang out in big rooms (on the internet). Obama is cooler than Hillary. The problem is young people don’t come out to vote in large numbers as more mature people do, and that will work to McCain’s advantage.
When Bill Clinton was called a racist, for using the word fairtale, about Obama’s claims that he was so visionary for making a speech against the war, I read his record before and after and realized he’s more of a Hawk than Hillary, and I am for Peace. When Ferraro was attacked for her remarks, I read those and she was commenting that her candidacy was historic because she is a woman, as is Obama’s. That he is the least experienced man in recent history to run for President deserves some analysis. We are stratagizing for Democrats to win, aren’t we? So I thought that was a low blow. This latest Wright situation is a whole different level of racism, that’s for sure, and this is a man Obama claims as his spiritual adviser.
These are some articles that have influenced my Opinion about Obama. I am not attacking him; I seek to learn who he is, so I can make the best choice. I spent years in the Advertising business and I’m not swayed by slogans of Press releases, In my mind actions speak louder than words and to see the best Democrat win is my goal. I really do think Hillary is our best bet to work towards to peace and prosperity.
Hillary on Energy Independance