Another strategy for Gore

Since we seem to have ended our NY effort to get Gore on our primary ballot (and don't get me started on how that all came about), an idea from an Aussie (posted on www.democraticunderground.com) is to cast your primary ballot for Obama in the hopes that a deadlocked convention would turn to a Gore/Obama ticket as a compromise and a way to go forward. That has always been my dream ticket; and, if the convention is deadlocked and the Gore and Obama people are talking, this could swing all the Obama delegates (and hopefully others) to Gore and we’d be on our way.


Reality folks

the end
Posted November 20th, 2007 by gorewon2000 in Al Gore Politics
Al Gore's office has contacted the staff at AlGore.org and instructed them to cease with petition efforts to get Gore onto the state primary ballots. Attached below is the message that was sent out to organizers in response to this communication.

So where does this leave us?

Unfortunately, it looks like this is closing the door. Without Gore's name being on the ballot in the primary, the chance of him becoming the Democratic nominee for president in 2008 is just about zero. Some in the draft movement are still talking about the possibility of having a deadlocked convention, with voters being split between the candidates and none receiving a majority of delegates and so winning the nomination outright. In that event, it's possible that delegates could choose Gore as a unity candidate, and apparently Gore has kept open the possibility of running as the nominee after being so chosen.

That option, however, does not present any obvious volunteer actions to take on behalf of a Gore candidacy. The primary will either deadlock or it won't.

Others are talking about supporting a write-in campaign. I will be writing him in on mine.

For this group, though, this is pretty much the end.

We can take heart that the Suburban group gathered over 600 signatures to place Al Gore's name on the Illinois ballot, and over 400 to have my name listed as a Gore delegate. We helped swell the ranks of people in attendance at Gore's book signing at Border's, and helped get 200 lapel stickers onto attendees of that event. We collected more than 200 signatures on petitions asking Gore to run.

Keep that fighting spirit. We still have work to do as activists, even without Gore as our nominee for president. Aragorn has refused to take his rightful throne in the White City, but the battle goes on. This setback may make our efforts seem hopeless, but sometimes it's the hopeless causes that most need us to fight for them.

After all, there never was much hope... just a fool's hope.

Stand strong.

Benjamin Iglar-Mobley

* * *

Ending the petition drives to get Gore on the ballot
Date : Mon, Nov 12, 2007 11:04 PM

Dear Organizers:

We have received a communication from a member of Al Gore's staff discouraging our efforts to put Al Gore's name on any primary ballots. This includes California, New York, Massachusetts, and the write-in effort in New Hampshire, as well as any other states that are working to get him on the ballot. Accordingly, effective immediately, we are recommending that all groups cease their signature collection and related fund-raising activities.

Some of you may wonder about the discrepancy between this message and the one sent out last week. We have attempted to bring you information as we receive it, and only information that is credible, and last week's information came from credible sources, but not sources from within Gore's office. Unfortunately, today's communication comes from Gore's staff and trumps the information we received last week.

We're all reeling and in a bit of a state of shock, and our main objective right now is to get people to stop working for something we've been discouraged from pursuing. Beyond that, we recognize that for many this will feel like getting hit by a Mack truck. It's impossible to convey the deep disappointment we all feel, but we've been to hell and back again with this, and just as we hung together in the past, we'll grieve together and get support from the community we built. Regardless of how we attempt to deal with this blow, we should at least now be able to turn our attention back to family, friends, and jobs that have been neglected over these long months of hard work. We built a community of support and supporters, and I believe our lives were enriched for having known each other and worked together for this cause we believe in so strongly. Many of us have formed permanent bonds with people in this movement that transcend the political ideology that brought us together in the first place. These are ties that will last a lifetime.

We'll be putting out more communications in the days ahead, but for now we felt it was urgent to get this information out to people so they wouldn't put any more time or money into the effort. I hope we can turn our grief and disappointment into something more positive and productive in the future.

There are no words to express our sorrow at having to deliver this news, but I'm afraid it is real, and the request needs to be heeded.

With deepest regrets,

--Karen

Karen Wunderman
Chief of Staff, Volunteer Division
AlGore.org


Real, rational actions

Nice to talk, nice to dream, but when the time to perform comes it is nice to have a good plan, based on realities, not on wishes.

Some fundamental questions have to be answered right:
- 1 What are Al. Gore intentions.
-2 Does he wants to run for President by 2008 ?
- 3 Does he has any chances to enter by the Mid race - 45 days until Iowa ?
- 4 Do we have any Political strategist (a "karl Rowe")?
- 5 Is our impact figure good enough to trigger a change at the majority voters (now we are about 10, 000 for a population of 150,000,000 of potential voters means 1/15000...of course we have to grow and get better audience.
- 6 What are our goals - Political, Environmental, Social, scientific, etc.
etc.

We need a bunch of brains to take this things out of fog and make them outstanding,
A big chunk is allready there...what we need is a better synergy and growth...

A teleconference might take 1 week and more if it is not previously prepared and organized...an organization approach have to be performed, an organism able to collect and evaluate any idea, and give credit is required.
May be a questionaire have to be proposed...and see what are the options of potential participants...
It is about organizing "an apparatus", Gore's stuff have to be implicated too, but without monopolizing the talks and debates, because they will get nothing new, just talks and recirculation of old ideas.
Please think about and propose the best solutions...and people.
With regards
Liviu
Please think about,


Yep, smell the roses

Real, rational actions
On November 19th, 2007 lpopas said:
Nice to talk, nice to dream, but when the time to perform comes it is nice to have a good plan, based on realities, not on wishes

Thank you, for that, Ipopas, you are correct in saying we have to deal with realities. If Al Gore does not want to run for President, and that is what I am picking up from him, then our reality here is what is our plan. If Al Gore tells us no he is not running for President and we want to respect his wishes, then that is what we should do. Come up with a good second option to elect a Democrat to the White House. That is a reality we need to deal with.


Hillary, Romney, they are all the same

If America ends up with any of the current leading candidates they are going to be getting more of the same. A leader whose priorities are not ones that I support. These candidates have only shown me they are good at raising money and playing it safe. I will not back Hillary if she is the nominee. I know it may sound harsh but if what it is going to take to get Americans on board with being more active and making change is four more years of another awful administation then that is what it is going to take. I believe that for us to settle for a candidate that is part of this same disfunctional system is a dangerous compromise. You do not see Al endorsing any of them at present do you? The system needs to be fixed, and whether Al is our leader in the White House or as a private citizen as far as I am concerned he is our leader and it is to him that I will look for inspiration. If that means focusing on directing our energies towards fixing the process and enduring more damage until it remedies itself than that is what will have to happen. I wish it was not the case but it is a reflection of our society and what needs to be done. A vote for Hillary will accomplish little to nothing, it is just a band-aide, not a cure.
Kerry Lusignan


So True

Hear, Hear!


brokered convention possibilities

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I just posted this remark on netroots for Gore, and I think it fits here as well.

I re-watching the recent debate on CNN right now, and Obama had some good things to say about changing the country's course in energy.

However, I think many of Gore's current supporters (1) have not decided on an alternate candidate, and may not do so until it's time to pull the lever, or (2) have already headed to the candidate of their choice. I am in the former category at this moment, but I'm listening carefully and will investigate the other candidate's platforms regarding climate change and their energy policies. I also have a good idea of who I'm NOT voting for. And if many of Gore's supporters feel as I do with this latter statement, we may not have to worry about a runaway candidate, with more than 50% of the delegates.

As to who to vote for to bring about a brokered convention, that is dicey. I want my primary vote to count for what I believe in, and not just with the hope that it brings this situation about. I wholeheartedly want Gore to be our next President, and I'm hoping against hope that the reason for calling off the ballot initiatives was because he is going to announce his candidacy. I'm not sure it's going to happen. I'm kind of in a wait and see attitude right now, trying to employ "The Secret" methodology :) The Universe is calling Gore to lead us. How he chooses to do so is up to him. I'll follow him wherever he may go.


This is a critical moment in history

I am holding onto a belief that if we all push for honesty, ernest conviction, diplomacy and vision in our candidates, it is going to work out ok. But we need to expose dishonesty, pandering, war mongering, and status quo dysfunction as it arises amongst ALL the candidates. I just can't get behind anybody just yet. I ain't feelin' it.


A Critical Moment

Friends,

All of my adult life I have advocated that we move toward a sustainable society wherein we live in balance with other species on the Earth. For me the advent of a global warming theory was really a convenient truth which I see as a great opportunity to make many of the changes we should be making in any case. We cannot continue depleating the soil, polluting the air, water, and land, while using fossile fuels to extract gross amounts of "natural resources" to sustain an expanding, consumptive lifestyle.

National and world leaders are really only tools in this struggle. Al Gore could be a great leader and I hope he will continue with his work.

As for me, I am in it for the long haul. I am interested in building a solidified worldwide movement of skilled activists who are working for a sustainable world view. I am really working to build that grassroots movement. The name at the top of the ticket is incidental...as long as they attract the kind of supporters who will work for the kind of social change we need.

I will work for Obama, Kuscinich, Edwards, or even (oh dear) Clinton. I suggest that we all think in terms of building that grassroots movement. We need to network and develop our organizing skills. The specific issues are not critical. The personality at the top of the ticket is even less important.

Remember: Ultimately, in the long run, we'll all be dead. What matters to our future generations is the change we worked for.

Thank you all for your committment to these goals.

Greg McKenzie


Positive outlook

That's why I keep saying let's hold them accountable while we do what we can do. After all, WE are the people. Count me in.


Absolutely, i agree, nothing short of our country is as stake.

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I cannot imagine voting for any one other than Al Gore and that is where I still am. But if anything, we can utilize our time by putting the real issues that we need to progress on and holding anyone who wishes for a vote to these important positions, their record and votes. We won't have the change we need with someone that doesn't show they do what is right when it counts, not merre lip service when it suites THEIR needs.

As Mr. Gore has not ruled it out and we know he'd love to be President, I have nothing to lose in working for the BEST, only much to lose in settling for a hopeful "better' than what we currently have.

Time for
a COOL
change
GORE
2008


Al Gore does not want to be President, he's not running

Oh my, we are at odds aren't we? Al Gore does not want to be President of the United States, otherwise he would be running this time around. I DO NOT understand why people cannot comprehend that now. Our main task now should be to get behind another candidate other then Hillary by the looks of it. We need to get Al Gore to endorse the main contender in this and that is Barack Obama. That's my opinion on that. Our endorsement of Barack Obama on AlGore.org would be the push that Obama would need to be President.


Stabbing Gore in the back

With all due respect, based on the information from the NY Times article below, Barack Obama supports the coal industry, and specifically, coal-to-synthetic fuel. As the article documents with various studies including one from MIT, this is a bad idea and is likely to lead to more pollution than diesel fuel. Besides, the nation and world need to be OUT of fossil fuels!

Not my candidate!

The article;
Lawmakers Push for Big Subsidies for Coal Process

By EDMUND L. ANDREWS
Published: May 29, 2007 – NY Times
WASHINGTON, May 28 — Even as Congressional leaders draft legislation to reduce greenhouse gases linked to global warming, a powerful roster of Democrats and Republicans is pushing to subsidize coal as the king of alternative fuels.
Prodded by intense lobbying from the coal industry, lawmakers from coal states are proposing that taxpayers guarantee billions of dollars in construction loans for coal-to-liquid production plants, guarantee minimum prices for the new fuel, and guarantee big government purchases for the next 25 years.
With both House and Senate Democrats hoping to pass “energy independence” bills by mid-July, coal supporters argue that coal-based fuels are more American than gasoline and potentially greener than ethanol.
“For so many, filthy coal is a dirty four-letter word,” said Representative Nick V. Rahall, Democrat of West Virginia and chairman of the House Natural Resources Committee. “These individuals, I tell you, have their heads buried in the sand.”
Environmental groups are adamantly opposed, warning that coal-based diesel fuels would at best do little to slow global warming and at worst would produce almost twice as much of the greenhouse gases tied to global warming as petroleum.
Coal companies are hardly alone in asking taxpayers to underwrite alternative fuels in the name of energy independence and reduced global warming. But the scale of proposed subsidies for coal could exceed those for any alternative fuel, including corn-based ethanol.
Among the proposed inducements winding through House and Senate committees: loan guarantees for six to 10 major coal-to-liquid plants, each likely to cost at least $3 billion; a tax credit of 51 cents for every gallon of coal-based fuel sold through 2020; automatic subsidies if oil prices drop below $40 a barrel; and permission for the Air Force to sign 25-year contracts for almost a billion gallons a year of coal-based jet fuel.
Coal companies have spent millions of dollars lobbying on the issue, and have marshaled allies in organized labor, the Air Force and fuel-burning industries like the airlines. Peabody Energy, the world’s biggest coal company, urged in a recent advertising campaign that people “imagine a world where our country runs on energy from Middle America instead of the Middle East.”
Representative Rick Boucher, a Virginia Democrat whose district is dominated by coal mining, is writing key sections of the House energy bill. In the Senate, champions of coal-to-liquid fuels include Barack Obama, the Illinois Democrat, Jim Bunning of Kentucky and Larry Craig of Wyoming, both Republicans.
President Bush has not weighed in on specific incentives, but he has often stressed the importance of coal as an alternative to foreign oil. In calling for a 20 percent cut in projected gasoline consumption by 2017, he has carefully referred to the need for “alternative” fuels rather than “renewable” fuels. Administration officials say that was specifically to make room for coal.
The political momentum to subsidize coal fuels is in odd juxtaposition to simultaneous efforts by Democrats to draft global-warming bills that would place new restrictions on coal-fired electric power plants.
The move reflects a tension, which many lawmakers gloss over, between slowing global warming and reducing dependence on foreign oil.
Many analysts say the huge coal reserves of the United States could indeed provide a substitute for foreign oil.
The technology to convert coal into liquid fuel is well-established, and the fuel can be used in conventional diesel cars and trucks, as well as jet engines, boats and ships. Industry executives contend that the fuels can compete against gasoline if oil prices are about $50 a barrel or higher.
But coal-to-liquid fuels produce almost twice the volume of greenhouse gases as ordinary diesel. In addition to the carbon dioxide emitted while using the fuel, the production process creates almost a ton of carbon dioxide for every barrel of liquid fuel.
Coal industry executives insist their fuel can actually be cleaner than oil, because they would capture the gas produced as the liquid fuel is being made and store it underground. Some could be injected into oil fields to push oil to the surface.
Several aspiring coal-to-liquid companies say that they would reduce greenhouse emissions even further by using renewable fuels for part of the process. But none of that has been done at commercial volumes, and many analysts say the economic issues are far from settled.
“There are many uncertainties,” said James T. Bartis, a senior policy researcher at the RAND Corporation, who testified last week before the Senate Energy Committee. “We don’t even know what the costs are yet.”
The clash between “energy independence” and global warming will break into the open next month. The Senate energy bill, being drafted by Senator Jeff Bingaman, Democrat of New Mexico, would promote renewable fuels — but not coal-to-liquid fuels — and would require electric utilities to produce 15 percent of their power with renewable fuels by 2020.
But coal-state Republicans have vowed to resume their push for coal incentives when the bill reaches the Senate floor, and many Democrats are likely to support them. In the House, Democrats like Mr. Boucher and Mr. Rahall will be pushing in the same direction.
But some energy experts, as well as some lawmakers, worry that the scale of the coal-to-liquid incentives could lead to a repeat of a disastrous effort 30 years ago to underwrite a synthetic fuels industry from scratch.
When oil prices plunged in the 1980s, the government-owned Synthetic Fuels Corporation became a giant government albatross that lost billions and remains a symbol of misguided industrial policy more than 25 years later.
“This is the snake oil of energy alternatives,” said Peter Altman, a policy analyst at the National Environmental Trust, an environmental advocacy group. “The promises are just as lofty and the substance is just as absent as the first snake oil salesmen who plied their trade in the 1800s.”
Coal executives contend that the technology for converting coal to “ultraclean” diesel fuel for use in cars and trucks has been around for decades. Known as the Fischer-Tropsch process, the technology dates to the 1920s. It was used by Germany during World War II and by South Africa during the apartheid era, in both cases because the countries were blocked by international embargoes from buying oil.
SASOL, a South African chemical conglomerate, is the world’s largest producer of coal-based liquids and operates a plant that produces 150,000 barrels a day.
“Greener and cleaner — we can do it, and we will do it,” said John Baardson, president of Baard Energy, a firm in Vancouver, Wash., that is trying to build a $4 billion coal-to-liquid plant in Ohio.
But no company has built a commercial-scale plant that also captures carbon, and experts caution that many obstacles lie ahead.
“At best, you’re going to tread water on the carbon issue, and you’re probably going to do worse,” said Howard Herzog, a principal research engineer at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology and a co-author of “The Future of Coal,” a voluminous study published in March by M.I.T. “It goes against the whole grain of reducing carbon.”
The M.I.T. team expressed even more skepticism about the economic risks. It estimated that it would cost $70 billion to build enough plants to replace 10 percent of American gasoline consumption.
The study estimates that the construction costs for coal-to-liquid plants are almost four times higher than the costs for comparable petroleum refineries, and it argues that cost estimates for synthetic fuel plants in the past turned out to be “wildly optimistic.”
In a new report last week, the Energy Department estimated that a plant capable of making 50,000 barrels of liquefied coal a day — a tiny fraction of the nearly 9 million barrels in gasoline burned daily in the United States — would cost $4.5 billion.
But the Energy Department also estimated that such a plant could produce a 20 percent annual return if oil prices remain about $60 a barrel.
Coal executives say that they need government help primarily because oil prices are so volatile and the upfront construction costs are so high. “We’re not asking for everything. All we’re asking for is something,” said Hunt Ramsbottom, chief executive of Rentech Inc., which is trying to build two plants at mines owned by Peabody Energy.
But coal executives anticipate potentially huge profits. Gregory H. Boyce, chief executive of Peabody Energy, based in St. Louis, which has $5.3 billion in sales, told an industry conference nearly two years ago that the value of Peabody’s coal reserves would skyrocket almost tenfold, to $3.6 trillion, if it sold all its coal in the form of liquid fuels.
Coal industry lobbying has reached a fever pitch. The industry spent $6 million on federal lobbying in 2005 and 2006, three times what it spent each year from 2000 through 2004, according to calculations by Politicalmoneyline.com.
Peabody, which has quadrupled its annual lobbying budget to about $2 million since 2004, recently hired Richard A. Gephardt, the Missouri Democrat who was House majority leader from 1989 to 1995 and a candidate for the Democratic presidential nomination in 1988 and 2004, to help make its case in Congress.
One of the most vociferous champions of coal-to-liquid fuels is the Southern States Energy Board, a group organized by governors from 16 states. Last year, the group published a study, which cost $500,000, that concluded that coal-to-liquid fuel could and should replace almost one-third of imported oil by 2030.
As it happens, the coal industry supplied much of the financing for the study and subsequent marketing. Peabody Energy contributed about $150,000 and the National Mining Association added $50,000, officials at the Southern States Energy Board said.
The inducements under discussion would not only subsidize up to 10 coal-to-liquid plants, but also guarantee a minimum market through long-term contracts with the Air Force and minimum prices for at least some producers.
“There is financial uncertainty, which is inhibiting the flow of private capital into the construction of coal-to-liquid facilities,” said Mr. Boucher, who supports most of the proposals and is drafting portions of the energy bill.
In addition to construction loan guarantees, Mr. Boucher would protect the first six liquid plants from drops in energy prices. If oil prices fell below about $40 a barrel, the government would automatically grant loans to the first six plants that make coal-based fuels. If oil prices climbed to $80 a barrel, companies would have to pay a surcharge to the government.
But the most important guarantee, many coal producers said, is the prospect of signing 25-year purchase contracts with the Air Force.
The Air Force consumes about 2.6 billion gallons a year of jet fuel, and Air Force officials would like to switch as much as 780 million gallons a year to coal-based fuels. Air Force officials strongly support the idea of extremely long contracts, but others at the Defense Department worry that the military could be left holding the bag for years if oil prices dropped significantly.
For Mr. Boyce, chief executive of Peabody Energy, there is no reason to be timid.
“If America has the will to be one of the great energy centers of the world,” he told an industry conference last year, “we have the resources right under our feet.”

Richard A. Gephardt, a former Democratic House majority leader, has been hired by Peabody Energy to help make the case for liquefied coal.

Mike Mergen/Bloomberg News
Multimedia
Graphic
Comparing Fuels

Doug Mills/The New York Times
Senator Jeff Bingaman, Democrat of New Mexico, is drafting a bill to promote renewable fuels, but not liquefied coal, for electricity.
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/05/29/business/29coal.html?pagewanted=1&n=To...


First of all, Al Gore said

First of all, Al Gore said he "would love to be President". It was oringinally in this interview, but was removed. Check out the last 15 seconds or so:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tf7s0kTlftg

Second, he has not said he is not running this time around yet.

Third, if you want Obama in, go here: http://www.barackobama.com and leave the rest of us alone.


Defending my original suggestion

Rod Bailey
I'll jump back into this one last time. Believe me, my original suggestion (since we can't vote for Gore in the primary - unless he suddenly gets his name on some ballots) was to vote in the primary for Obama as a way to put the brakes on Hillary. Then, assuming a brokered convention (which I realize may be a big assumption) Gore's people might propose to the Obama delegates that they turn their votes to Gore with a promise that Gore would select Obama for VP. We're all just dreaming up scenarios here, so this is just one possibility. I am not a great fan of Obama, but I am certainly a much lesser fan of Hillary's. My main man, however, remains Gore - no ifs, ands, or buts. Those who think I am pimping for Obama weren't standing out in the cold with me at the Rochester Public Market for 2 Saturdays in a row trying to get signatures on nominating petitions. Or spending the hours I did at the computer trying to find a circle of supporters here in Rochester to help and, in some cases, ready to hit the streets for canvassing. You can't imagine how devestated we were when the word came down that we should halt all our efforts. And, I expect to be standing in the cold and perhaps snow in NH in Dec. and Jan. if they go ahead with their write-in campaign for Gore in their primary. So, don't accuse me of being a stealth Obama supporter. The suggestion of a primary vote for Obama was put forward as one possible way to get Gore the Dem. nomination and nothing more.


Excuse me, what am I missing?

Again for those that may have forgotten, here is what we were instructed to do and make the best of it:
Gore Wants Off All Ballots !!
Posted November 15th, 2007 by patstanley1
According to AlGore.org and his personal staff, he does not want to be on any primary ballots. It is causing him difficulties.

According to Karen Wunderman:
Putting him on the ballot will mean he has to take himself off, and we were told that he would do exactly that. The subject of Florida came up in the conversation, where his office was
asked if he wanted his name on the ballot, and the answer was no. There are any reasons one can think of why having his name on primary ballots when he's not running could be a problem.

That's true of the write-in effort in New Hampshire as well. Do we really want to cause problems for the man? We have no idea what he's thinking or what he plans to do. My feeling is he should be allowed to do things his way. Until we received this communication we were on safe ground with our activities. That's not true anymore. This was an explicit request, and the states of California, New York, Massachusetts, and New Hampshire were specifically referenced.

I know it's hard to give up on this after we've put so much work into it. Believe me, I know. But can we really, in good conscience, do something that goes directly against Gore's wishes? I believe there are other ways we can still work at this if that's what people want to do. But continuing with the ballot drives and write-in efforts should be taken off the table. There is simply no arguing with the source of the communication we received.

--Karen

http://www.karenwunderman.com


Right on Karen

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I have been listening (silently) to all the posts since we were told to stop our efforts. Karen has it exactly right, our continued efforts would only hurt Mr. Gore and if we are truly Gore people, why would we want to do that??? I have been an Al Gore fan since working for him on the '92 campaign. I want nothing more than for him to be president. We simply are not in his inner circle and don't know what his plans are. We DO know that he wants us to stop our work. I think anyone who works for primary ballots, write-ins or brokered conventions (like we have the power to make that happen!) is not truly a Gore supporter, rather they want what they want and damn the consequences. That's selfish! Let the man work within his own timeframe and wait for him to TELL us what he wants.

Jay


Which way did he/she go?

Which way did he go? I like what Karen said and Jay reinforced. We are all Al Gore supporters, otherwise we wouldn't be here, but we need to focus on what has to be done. If our ultimate goal is to get a Democratic President, and it appears Al Gore does not want to run this time around, what do we do? Jay is right, in that, we are not the inner circle for Gore and we should respect his wishes and halt our efforts for trying to put Gore on the ballot. To me that sounds like Al Gore does not want to run, which he has been referencing all along. We all have to focus on our ultimate goal and that is to elect a Democratic President in 2008. We all have been chiming in here and there with our opinions about this and that is great, but have we really accomplished what we wanted to accomplish after months of contacting, talking to people, and believing in Al Gore. We can still believe in Al Gore and still elect a Democratic President of the United States. I know Al Gore will be right there with us in helping choose the right candidate. I just wonder who the inner circle for Al Gore is, and if any of us have access to them or have had access to them? I don't think so. We are at a different level and unless someone or some people that are here on AlGore.org that can direct us or help us make some decisions, we will continue to spin our wheels, while the playing candidates will be doing their campaigning and raising contributions to run their effective campaigns. SO, PLEASE WILL SOMEONE OR SOME PEOPLE THAT ARE ON ALGORE.ORG GIVE US SOME DIRECTION CAUSE I FOR ONE DON'T KNOW FOR SURE IF WE ARE ACCOMPLISHING WHAT OUR INTENT IS HERE? Granted I am still behind you all, but we're at a critical time right now and we need to gain some momentum, that's all I ask. We are all in this together. Thank you.


You seem to be ignoring the voices and mixing the ULIMATE GOAL

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here. No wonder you seem to be ignoring everything else being said.

Our ultimate goal here is to elect Al Gore. Period. Don't cherry pick the pieces out of what everyone else said. I will save folkf from reposting ENTIRE comments, instead of reposting pieces. Everyone here is fully aware what has been said.

Karen recently sent out another email, and while we stopped getting signatures to put Al Gore on some ballots, we continue to show support for a President Al Gore await any next steps while we also await to hear from Mr. Gore, himslef.

i believe people here with this mission, support it and remain here for those reasons, as the many posts have indicated. If you have another mission, there are sites that cater to those individual goals-whether it be another candidate sight, national blogs, or the Democratic Party.

But please remember, this is a big tent and a site of all supporters of Al Gore thats drawn together, with the goal as specified, to have a President Al Gore. And as active campaigns go through strategic changes, so are we.

Time for
a COOL
change
GORE
2008


Time is not on our side

No, the ultimate goal is to elect a Democrat to the White House. You appear to not respect Al Gore's wishes of not wanting to run. We are running out of time, get it! I know you mean well and as Karen W. said, alot of people have spent alot of time and we can still have Al Gore's views with us, it may not be in the direction of his Presidency, but we would still be working together. Rather then running around with our heads cut off, sorry, since we are not the inner circle of AlGore.org, we have got to really start thinking of our second option. Rather then walk into the voting booths as not united which candidate we are supporting, naturally the Republicans would win, cause they always seems to bunch when push comes to shove.

I hope this helps, and I've been Al Gore's supporter since 2000, and yes I still feel bad how the election turned out. WE SHOULD WANT A DEMOCRAT IN THE WHITE HOUSE COME NOVEMBER 2008. The part that some of you are not grasping is that Al Gore so far has said he does not want to run for the Presidency. I don't know how else he can put that, without causing alot of confusion and doubt among his supporters. Thanks.


No, our ulimtate goal at AL GORE . ORG is to elect Al Gore

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And you seem to want to ignore what everyone has said. But maybe when you look at the website you are posting on, that will help.

You also seem to be ignorning everything Al Gore has said, so please, respect the man and his supporters on the draft al gore sites. Thank you.

Time for
a COOL
change
GORE
2008


Read this

the end
Posted November 20th, 2007 by gorewon2000 in Al Gore Politics
Al Gore's office has contacted the staff at AlGore.org and instructed them to cease with petition efforts to get Gore onto the state primary ballots. Attached below is the message that was sent out to organizers in response to this communication.

So where does this leave us?

Unfortunately, it looks like this is closing the door. Without Gore's name being on the ballot in the primary, the chance of him becoming the Democratic nominee for president in 2008 is just about zero. Some in the draft movement are still talking about the possibility of having a deadlocked convention, with voters being split between the candidates and none receiving a majority of delegates and so winning the nomination outright. In that event, it's possible that delegates could choose Gore as a unity candidate, and apparently Gore has kept open the possibility of running as the nominee after being so chosen.

That option, however, does not present any obvious volunteer actions to take on behalf of a Gore candidacy. The primary will either deadlock or it won't.

Others are talking about supporting a write-in campaign. I will be writing him in on mine.

For this group, though, this is pretty much the end.

We can take heart that the Suburban group gathered over 600 signatures to place Al Gore's name on the Illinois ballot, and over 400 to have my name listed as a Gore delegate. We helped swell the ranks of people in attendance at Gore's book signing at Border's, and helped get 200 lapel stickers onto attendees of that event. We collected more than 200 signatures on petitions asking Gore to run.

Keep that fighting spirit. We still have work to do as activists, even without Gore as our nominee for president. Aragorn has refused to take his rightful throne in the White City, but the battle goes on. This setback may make our efforts seem hopeless, but sometimes it's the hopeless causes that most need us to fight for them.

After all, there never was much hope... just a fool's hope.

Stand strong.

Benjamin Iglar-Mobley

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Ending the petition drives to get Gore on the ballot
Date : Mon, Nov 12, 2007 11:04 PM

Dear Organizers:

We have received a communication from a member of Al Gore's staff discouraging our efforts to put Al Gore's name on any primary ballots. This includes California, New York, Massachusetts, and the write-in effort in New Hampshire, as well as any other states that are working to get him on the ballot. Accordingly, effective immediately, we are recommending that all groups cease their signature collection and related fund-raising activities.

Some of you may wonder about the discrepancy between this message and the one sent out last week. We have attempted to bring you information as we receive it, and only information that is credible, and last week's information came from credible sources, but not sources from within Gore's office. Unfortunately, today's communication comes from Gore's staff and trumps the information we received last week.

We're all reeling and in a bit of a state of shock, and our main objective right now is to get people to stop working for something we've been discouraged from pursuing. Beyond that, we recognize that for many this will feel like getting hit by a Mack truck. It's impossible to convey the deep disappointment we all feel, but we've been to hell and back again with this, and just as we hung together in the past, we'll grieve together and get support from the community we built. Regardless of how we attempt to deal with this blow, we should at least now be able to turn our attention back to family, friends, and jobs that have been neglected over these long months of hard work. We built a community of support and supporters, and I believe our lives were enriched for having known each other and worked together for this cause we believe in so strongly. Many of us have formed permanent bonds with people in this movement that transcend the political ideology that brought us together in the first place. These are ties that will last a lifetime.

We'll be putting out more communications in the days ahead, but for now we felt it was urgent to get this information out to people so they wouldn't put any more time or money into the effort. I hope we can turn our grief and disappointment into something more positive and productive in the future.

There are no words to express our sorrow at having to deliver this news, but I'm afraid it is real, and the request needs to be heeded.

With deepest regrets,

--Karen

Karen Wunderman
Chief of Staff, Volunteer Division
AlGore.org


Good to hear you are an Al Gore supporter on the Al Gore site

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i don't think anyone accused you of anything.

Posts said what folks were responding to. And being you posted several comments asking for votes and embelished upon the comments with "and why not (BO)" , again, your words were what people responded to.

But it is sure good to hear you are an Al Gore supporter and your hard work to push that forward. Much to still hope and work towards, I see as you agree.

Time for
a COOL
change
GORE
2008


Well, now we see who isn't here as an Al Gore supporter

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DON"T WE?

You now making a false statement show it's time to move on. Mr. Gore never said he didn't want to be President, and certainly hasn't ruled out running. Because Obama is tanking, you don't need to come here making false claims to try to garner support.

Obama would be happier as a Republican and his positions sure would garner support . He ran his US Senate seat on the Iraq War and the Patriot Act. What did ne do for those two years before announcing he'd run for President? YEP he didn't write, co sponsor or even VOTE to end the war. HE even publicly said while running for Pres, he didn't support using funds to end the war and dragged in Jim Webb on his Ed Schultz interview. AND...the trampled rights on the Patriot Act?....OH YES, HE VOTED TO REAUTHORIZE THAT, TOO.

Then all of his other votes? ...IF HE VOTES. Please, do us a favor, Mr. "Blank slate, allow people to form their own opinbions", you're not doing him any favors here.

Time for
a COOL
change
GORE
2008


Where do we go from here ?

ATTENTION "Gore people"
You are Gore people because you partially share Al. Gore's ideas and care about future of US.
It would be nice if Al. accepted to run and win the 2008 presidential capmaign, but as he had another opinion clearly stated we have to respect that...and understand that he might have better intelligence to base his decision.

But, the fight for US for yours ideals it is not over, there is much to do to change US course from Haliburtons to all US people...there is a lot to be done in order that the planet to pass the ECOLOGIC EXAM comming soon *****
After the degree of preparedness recorded now - THE PLANET EARTH will FAIL the ecologic exam by 2060 - after that will follow a Darwin stile natural selection - and the humans will become an extinction species...selected as "UNDESIRED" by mother earth because the 'Intelligent design" was not intelligent ENOUGH to do the right thing at the right time and prefered to fight for oil. for an artificial currency, for an artificial game based on currency and own difficulties to understand the UNIVErsal LAWS...that I sad, outrageous , find a name ...and that is the beautiful organization Al.Gore.org have to stand for - "Prepare the planet to PASS the ecologic exam...SURVIVE!

I suppose Bush knows that a oil tanker has difficulties maneovering - turning slow, I am not convinced that he understands or cares that EARTH is "a little bit" bigger then a oil tanker and for what we did up to now there is nothing to do but wait and pay...I suppose that this commisions from the OIL GANG will not help him to much, because his dollars will be just deshet of paper...allready now going towards 1/2 Euro.
It will come a harder period, and with an economy depleated of the reasearch and development funds there is not to much to do than step back from the leading position, and may be become the first "terrorist nation " start the program -Nuclear bombs for food trying to convince the world populations to give food to US to not receive a nuclear disaster from US...

If this scenary does not work for most of you I propose to THINK about organizing a conference, and invite Al. Gore too, to optimize the goals and the program of action of the organization to fight against the above mentioned BAD things and MORE.

With the best wishes and congratulations for all the members for their enthusiasm and the activity they performed for a noble cause.

Yours respectfully
Liviu


Your point is?

Rod Bailey
I guess I don't see where you're going with this. We need to think about ways we might get Al Gore as the Dem. presidential nominee. Bemoaning all that is wrong now with the country, etc. is something we can all agree on (although I'm not sure I follow some of your points above).


I think trying to play a game, never quite works out,

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because you can't control what others do. i would say if your desired out come would be to spread the delegates, there is another way of doing it.

I saw folks trying to do that on the DFA Pulse Poll to garner a super majority for an endorsement...eeeehhhhh, didn't quite work....but bump down Mr. Gore.

And, I could NEVER bring myself to vote for B O, because it is still a vote for Obama, and that won't every happen.

Time for
a COOL
change
GORE
2008


Oh, and if you really want to play that game

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of vote for someone else that will split the delegates, you would be much better voting for Dennis Kucinich.

Time for
a COOL
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GORE
2008


And then what

Rod Bailey
Kucinich gets a handful of votes around the country and noone pays any attention to him at the Convention. Obama goes in with, let's say 37% of the delegates, Clinton with 43%, and Edwards with 10% (+/-). And if there are some Gore people active in the background at the convention trying to get his name into play they are going to go to the Kucinich handful of delegates? I don't think so. They'll approach Hillary's delegates? Unlikely. So, Obama might be the only play. Do you have a better Gore strategy to get him as our nominee?


Yes, Obama might be the only play

My take on this with Al Gore not wanting to run, is Obama receiving the backing of Al Gore. I think that would be the necessary and added lift that Obama would need to make him the contender. If Gore would endorse Obama that would make a world of difference. Then Hillary would not have a cakewalk at the Convention. Our task here would be to work on the Al Gore inner circle for the endorsement of Barack Obama for President.


If you want to give delegates away from the front runner, Hillar

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and you are asking for delegates to go to Gore, then asking for anyone who would be voting for Gore to go to another candidate, so all those other non Hillary delegates pooled together can elect Gore with the majority, of course give the delegates to Kucinich.

But your guessing that B O would pull in 37 percent and you asking for Al Gore supporters vote for him leaves more questions in my mind. LOL

Time for
a COOL
change
GORE
2008


Why not Obama

Rod Bailey
And your problem with Barack Obama is??? You know a lot of people are going to vote for him anyway in the primary states. Not that many will be voting for Kucinich (I would wager) and, at this point, trying to get the message to all the Gore supporters to vote for Kucinich might be an interesting try, but my experience in trying to reach out to Gore supporters here in NY has not been real positive. There was a lot of enthusiasm, based on when people signed onto web sites, etc. back in the spring and early summer, but they all seem to have drifted away from doing anything other than signing an on-line petition to make themselves feel good. The Obama scenario (and who knows, Hillary might go into the convention with 52% and then it's all over) is admittedly passive, but I feel he'll go in with the second place number of delegates.


I'm with you on Obama

I wish our next attempt of unity for all of us to get behind Obama and get Al Gore to publicly support Barack Obama for President of the United States. As we chat, my opinion on Hillary would be that even if she received the 2008 Democratic Presidential Nomination, she would ultimately lose to the Republican challenger. That is my fear. I agree, that we should try and work on the Al Gore inner circle to see if Gore would back Obama for President. That could be our other option. We already have a good mechanism in place with this AlGore.org. We could change the title a bit, but we definitely need to fasttrack this to be able to make a difference. If Al Gore were to endorese Barack Obama for President, I think that would give Obama the necessary lift that he would need to overtake Hillary for the Democratic Presidential Nomination. Our task would be to get Al Gore to do the major task of backing Obama. That's how I view it.


Excuse me, can I ask all other other candidates supporters

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Stop trying to use this AL GORE site to pimp for their candidates?

Dennis Kucinich, John Edwards, Joe Biden, Barack "Obama, Hillary Clinton, Chris Dodd et al supporters can all come here making a case why we should support their candidate.

WE are not new to politics, push polling, then the demeaning method or any other tactic that, fear, Anybody But _____. If folks want to support that candidate, they know where to go.

This is the Draft Al Gore site and that is our goal and people who wish to use this sight use it for that purpose.

...AND...OBAMA? Sure, let's choose a complete opposite of values and principles, that really is going to make me swoon to him.....Mr. "I'm thinking of changing some lightbulbs with my two daughters". WOOOA....hold me back........THEN PUSH FOR TAX SUBSIDIZED LIQUIFIED COAL....gee, I can't tell you how much that makes my knees buckle.

Please, respect the supporters of this site and the man we are supporting for Presidentl, Al Gore.

Time for
a COOL
change
GORE
2008


Diddo

I completely agree with you Linda - this site is for supporters of Al Gore and the causes he stands for. I
DO NOT want to be getting any email regarding any of the other candidates.

Kerry Lusignan
massforgore.com


Do you really want me to start a list of all the problems with

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Obama? I thought you were trying to get delegates for Gore, silly me.

if you're having a problem getting Gore supporters in New York to vote for B O, i can understand that.

And if you're real goal was to have alot of delegates not going to the Front Runner, Hillary, so the convention could agree with a majority of delegates pooled together to go to Al Gore, of course the plan to turn them to Kucinich would be the winning strategy.

But you've made clear that wasn't what you were really asking for.

Time for
a COOL
change
GORE
2008


We all need to wise up

I am not sure all of us get that Al Gore does not want to be President of the United States. Alot of people are saying they support his wishes. What some of us have a problem with is supporting one of the other Democractic candidates. We have to look at the bigger picture in this, and that is, if we do not want a Republican in the White House come January 2009, then we have to all wise up and get behind the Democratic candidate that can best portray what we want for the Presidency. I too, was having a big problem with Hillary Clinton and I still do, but if push came to shove and Hillary for some reason does get the Democratic Presidential Nomination, what do we do? I hope that that choice would be Hillary if again we didn't want a Republican in the White House. Our time is running shorter as we all chat, but we really need to get organized on our Democratic efforts on the road to the White House. Thanks.


What's happening here?

Wise Up!? What are we a bunch of kids? This site is an Al Gore site, not a Democratic site. At least that's what I thought it was. There are more than just Democrats here, and there are more candidates than just Republicans and Democrats. Granted, the others don't stand a chance because of the way these two do business. Did you know that as of several months ago, there were over 50 people running for Pres.? Why doesn't anyone know about them? Why aren't they invited to debate? Because the Democrats and Republicans won't let them. I for one am voting for the candidate that I think will make the best President. I don't care what party he / she is. That's what all Americans should be doing. Not plotting to overthrow a particular person. Really, what's happened to America?


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