David Sirota: Was Ross Perot right about NAFTA?

No he was not. He predicted an economic

disaster after NAFTA and that didn't happen.
In fact the job market became stronger GDP growth became higher inflation remained low (partly due to cheap raw materials and goods from Canada and Mexico). There was even a gain in manufacturing jobs before the 2001 recession.

If you want to pay more for virtually everything we import from these two countries fine. But don't tell me that would serve most Americans.


Yabu....have you been hiding in a Black Hole lately?

Wake up Yabu, wake up......

Overseas Outsourcing HASN'T hurt Americans?

What about the recalls?

Toys that have lead paint...because they came from CHINA?

Programming and computer and software jobs in INDIA not AMERICA?

Sorry chum, but you need a reality check.

My entire OFFICE now resides in MANILA.

Want to know something?

Your job is NEXT!


It's one thing when you talk about

overseas outsourcing in general. It's another when you talk about NAFTA.

NAFTA is about free trade with Mexico and Canada. Now if you tell me that Mexico is the biggest fish out there in terms of outsourcing you should take a look at the map and some population data.
Mexico itself has been the victim of outsourcing to Asia, primarly China. And that problem would not be solved if you reduced trade with Mexico and Canada which is exactly what eliminating NAFTA would mean. Instead from that point all Americans should pay more for virtually everything we now import from those two countries. Do you really think that higher prices would not hurt the US economy? And at the same time suddenly we would get back all those jobs which were shipped to Asia?

Come on.

NAFTA didn't hurt me. And it didn't hurt most Americans. We had both high job growth and low inflation, partly thanks to NAFTA.

We had NAFTA in the 90s and our economy was doing well. Even the manufacturing sector gained jobs before the 2001 recession, about 476,000 between January 1, 1994 and January 1, 2001. So if you want to look for the reasons why American manufacturing has been on the decline since 2001 you'd better look beyond free trade with Mexico.

There were some losers. A few million people. There would have been losers without free trade in North America too due to the rise of some Asian economies. Except then you would have had both outsourcing and higher prices.
But exuse me if I don't consider those few millions more important than the hundreds of millions of consumers in the US who create the lion share of the US economy.
You guys only focus on the losers of NAFTA as if they were somehow 1) the majority 2) inherently more important than the real majority whose jobs were not shipped to Mexico but their living standard increased due to lower prices.

"Toys that have lead paint...because they came from CHINA?"
"Programming and computer and software jobs in INDIA not AMERICA?"
"My entire OFFICE now resides in MANILA."

Really? And Manila is in Mexico. And India is Mexico. And NAFTA is responsible for the lack of safety regulations in China. Obviously.
Who needs a reality check here?
This is exactly my point.
NAFTA is not an cannot be responsible for outsourcing to Asia. Is is not and cannot be responsible for trade with any Asian country. That is covered in other agreements not NAFTA.
And getting rid of NAFTA wouldn't do a damn thing about our biggest problem which is outsourcing to Asia not Mexico.

"Want to know something?

Your job is NEXT!"

That's exacly what you guys predicted back in 1994 when NAFTA was passed. And the US job market got stronger and stronger in the years to come. Until 2001. Now what was different then compared to the 90s? There was a recession. Companies had to cut cost. One way to do that is to outsource to countries where labor is cheaper. Where is labor the cheapest?
Not in Mexico. In India, China, Vietnam, Bangladesh, Pakistan, Sri Lanka, Indonesia etc.
You get rid of NAFTA and labor in those countries would still be the cheapest. No impact whatseover.

So you are not only beating a dead horse you are beating the WRONG horse.

But if you are so sure that somehow eliminating NAFTA would bring all those now Asian jobs back to the US tell me exactly why and how that would happen. Which US company would get out of China just because, say, U.S. corn stopped pouring into Mexico?


NAFTA's Hung Jury After ten years, an honest verdict

Medullan Marauder's picture

May/June 2004

NAFTA's Hung Jury
After ten years, an honest verdict is hard to find

By Roger Bybee

A decade ago, major U.S. media joined corporate and political elites in steamrolling the public's overwhelming 64 percent opposition to the North American Free Trade Agreement (Gallup, 8/8/93), and NAFTA was signed into law by President Bill Clinton.

Major U.S. media almost uniformly dismissed NAFTA's opponents as backward-looking "protectionists." Mean-while, editorial writers and pundits almost unanimously predicted substantial economic and social gains in the U.S., Canada and Mexico. Even news articles reflected this heavy-handed bias; one study found the New York Times and Washington Post quoted more than three times as many pro-NAFTA sources as critics (Extra! Update, 10/93).

Ironically, only the business-oriented press would frankly admit that the central attraction behind NAFTA was legally locking in the profits to be reaped from a system built on a vast low-wage labor market in "maquiladora" plants along the U.S./Mexican border. "U.S. Companies Pour Into Mexico, Drawn Primarily by One Factor: Low Wages," a Wall Street Journal headline (9/24/92) brazenly proclaimed.

After a full decade of experience under NAFTA, much of the mainstream media has been reluctant to label the trade deal they had lobbied for so heavily a failure. "Ten years later, the jury is still out," reported the St. Louis Post-Dispatch's Jon Sawyer (12/28/03), in an article that actually supplied plenty of damning evidence and testimony. In coverage of NAFTA's 10-year anniversary, the tendency in news articles was to avoid drawing conclusions from the evidence and to claim that "NAFTA's Effect on State Hard to Gauge" (Biloxi [Miss.] Sun-Herald, 11/30/03) and "NAFTA's Impact, Future Unclear After 10 Years" (Detroit News, 1/1/04).

A few publications dared to draw critical lessons. The Cincinnati Enquirer (12/26/03), interviewing Mexican workers, frankly discussed their plight in low-wage, "no-exit, unstable jobs" in danger of being exported to China. The Atlanta Journal-Constitution (12/26/03) also sharply challenged the conventional wisdom that NAFTA has generated real development in Mexico.

There were only scattered references, though, to a major report by the Economic Policy Institute (11/03) that calculated that there's been a net loss of almost 900,000 U.S. manufacturing jobs to Mexico. Also little discussed was the U.S. trade balance with Mexico, which has swung sharply from a pre-NAFTA surplus of $1.3 billion to a deficit of $37 billion in 2002. Nor has there been much coverage of the decline in real wages for manufacturing workers on both sides of the U.S./Mexican border, with maquiladora wages now running about 60 to 80 cents an hour (Dollars & Sense, 9-10/03).

Free-trade mantra

If the depth of analysis was generally shallow on the news side, the editorial coverage was even more superficial. Much of the mainstream media greeted NAFTA's 10th anniversary by simply re-stating their pre-NAFTA expressions of primitive, unquestioning faith in "free trade" without serious examination of the evidence. The Washington Post (1/9/04) patiently explained to doubters of the faith, "If a country excels at making bicycles and is bad at making shirts, it will be better off if it signs a trade deal that allows its workers to do what they are best at."

Yet for reasons that mystify the Post's editorialists, "demagogues" carp about the closing of factories (for both shirts and bicycles, as it has turned out): "It's almost like criticizing people who hand over their cash at the supermarket without noting the upside of their actions: bags of groceries to take home. The real question is whether the groceries are worth the price." The Post seemed utterly unable to imagine that a sizable group of people might be paying the entire price while a much tinier segment is taking home all the benefits.

Meanwhile, a Detroit News editorial (1/12/04) proved remarkably adept in turning a blind eye to the local consequences of job losses to Mexico in Michigan: "The treaty certainly did not produce the giant sucking sound predicted by Ross Perot as U.S. jobs moved south." In fact, the EPI study documented a NAFTA-related net loss of more than 50,000 jobs from Michigan between 1993 and 2001.

A number of other papers, like the Savannah Morning News (1/3/04), Albany Democrat-Herald (1/20/04) and Bangor Daily News (1/3/04), similarly pronounced NAFTA a success without delving into the local impact covered in the EPI study or citing even a single NAFTA critic.

Almost entirely ignored in mainstream press are the implications of NAFTA's little-known Chapter 11, which considers environmental and other public-interest laws that affect corporate profits to be "tantamount to expropriation," thus leaving governments vulnerable to costly penalties. For example, Chapter 11 permitted a U.S. waste-management firm to successfully sue Mexico for nearly $15 million when local citizens and elected officials rebelled against the placement of a waste dump in their community (The Nation, 10/15/01; NOW! with Bill Moyers, 2/5/02).

Changing Times

There does seem to be a growing willingness to admit that NAFTA has been less than effective in promoting broadly based development and a sharing of income gains. Business Week, although calling NAFTA "a great success" (12/22/03), painted a daunting picture of the pact's serious shortcomings in promoting adequate development of Mexico's education, health and transportation capacities. Other avid NAFTA cheerleaders, like the Boston Globe (1/5/04) and the New York Times' Thomas Friedman (4/4/04), are also finally acknowledging that more low-wage jobs are not equivalent to genuine development, and some are even urging a European Union-style program of massive investments to lift living standards and modernize Mexico's infrastructure.

The biggest surprise in NAFTA's 10th anniversary coverage, though, was provided by the New York Times' news staff. Given the paper's all-out blitzkrieg in support of NAFTA's passage in 1993, it provided a remarkably unflinching evaluation on the treaty's 10-year anniversary (12/27/03), written by Tim Weiner and a team of reporters. The piece soberly documented how the agreement has failed to measure up to its giddy promises to create "millions of good jobs, curb illegal immigration, and raise living standards from the Yukon to the Yucatan." But "a decade later, the verdict, even among NAFTA's strongest supporters, is that for those goals, free trade is not enough."

While NAFTA's supporters cite impressive-sounding gains in trade between the U.S. and Mexico as evidence of benefits to both countries, these figures actually indicate mainly increased "intra-firm transfers" within U.S.-owned corporations. The Times pointed out: "The maquiladoras produced $78 billion in exports, nearly two-thirds of that sum from American parts assembled in Mexico and re-exported to the United States."

"By every measurable standard, the gap between rich and poor in Mexico has widened," and "real wages, eroded by a collapse of the peso in 1995, are flat or down for many millions of workers," reported the Times. As a result, "When you argue that free trade benefits poor people, no one believes you," admitted a disconsolate Luis de la Called, one of Mexico's top negotiators for NAFTA.

Losers close to home

What accounts for this willingness for some media like the Times to hesitantly begin a reconsideration of the free-trade faith? First, a number of high-profile free-trade initiatives have been scuttled recently. "Part of the reason this year has not been kind to these trade pacts is the advocates of free trade are too fundamentalist in their approach," the New York Times (12/18/03) quoted Julia Sweig of the Council on Foreign Relations. "They don't give the same level of priority to human capital—immigration and labor rights—as they do to inanimate issues like property rights and goods and services."

Second, during George W. Bush's "jobless recovery," Americans have witnessed the continuing and massive loss of factory jobs and the visible crumbling of manufacturing-based communities. But now the outflow of factory work has been joined by a new stream of "outsourced" high-tech jobs to India and China. With U.S. information-technology job losses estimated at between 300,000 and 600,000 annually (Business Week, 3/1/04; Newsweek, 3/1/04), the search for cheap labor overseas is now stalking the jobs occupied by the highly educated and well-paid.

Free-trade defender Michael Kinsley (Slate, 1/8/04) ruefully observed that "the losers in the new-style trade are more likely to be people that U.S. senators and fancy economic consultants actually know." He could have included elite journalists in that circle of acquaintance.

Much as Kinsley fears, the reaction against NAFTA-style globalization has clearly advanced up the socioeconomic ladder. Support for active promotion of more free trade agreements plummeted from 57 percent to 28 percent between 1999 and 2004 among Americans earning at least $100,000, according to a University of Maryland poll (USA Today, 2/24/04).

The flight of jobs out of the U.S. also coincides with a raft of publicity about Enron-style corporate misconduct and enormous CEO pay levels. So even the pro-NAFTA Findlay (Ohio) Courier (1/12/04) felt obliged to warn, "A privileged few cannot expect to reap all the profits of the global economy."

Finally, Mexico's low-wage labor markets have lost much of their allure as China has entered the picture since passage of Permanent Normalization of Trade Relations, also heavily promoted by mainstream media (Extra!, 9-10/00). China's authoritarian rulers at least had the foresight to invest in education, transportation and communication infrastructure, all of which Mexico lacks outside the border area. And with even more brutal repression of independent unions than Mexico practices, China can offer wages of 20 to 30 cents an hour.

While there is a new willingness to question some aspects of the free-trade faith, the mainstream media of the U.S. remain unable to contemplate that critics of NAFTA want anything other than to entirely wall off the U.S. The genuine alternatives offered by globalization's critics—full worker rights in all nations, environmental protection and democratic control over the economic direction of the nations involved—remain outside the frame of acceptable media discourse.

Roger Bybee is a Milwaukee-based anti-globalization activist, writer and speaker.

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