Political Chess: Why Obama / Clinton make Sense
I believe that Barack Obama don't stand a chance of winning without putting Hillary Clinton on his ticket.
WHY?
The way the Republican Party is set up, it is virtually impossible to counter their machine. The fact that Faux News & Repug talk radio have strong hold in the hearts of white America, Barack Obama won't survive their constant emotional appeal to stop him.
Repugs are successfully manipulating white women, because women & minorities are not united like we were in the 1970's & 80's.
There will be a major debate taking place on the 4th of July. Democrats will win that debate. But, Ba-lack Obama is not going to win that debate, because of the philosophy of his church. With Hillary on his ticket, women will create cleaver ways to help market the Obama / Clinton ticket. It will be a dream come true for woman.
John McCain will try to control the middle ground. His base will succeed at painting Ba-lack Obama in the light of 60's radicals like Huey Newton & many other members of the Black Panthers. Women wont have a reason to care for Obama; they will abandon him like they did with the issue of affirmative action.
Obama has to counter a cold reality: The Democratic Parties Congressional nominees can win in this environment, regardless if Obama becomes president or not. The only solid advantage he can create influencing married white women & their daughters, who, basically have the testicles of their husbands & fathers in a lock box.
The stakes have not reached a pinnacle yet. But, when that time comes, White women can & will control the debate. At the end of the day, repugs are going to convince their radical base. They will convince then to support John Mc-not gonna be the same as Bu$h- after repugs finish spooking white folks away from Ba-lack Obama.
CNN (The Clinton News Network) & the New York Times (Old Yorkie) will start engaging in fair & balance reporting once repugs turn McSame back into a Maverick. Don't forget that most of the repugs, who serve koolaid to their base, do it for the money & power. They are not patriots, they are mad capitalist.
I can't leave out the bitter feminist, who mingle with the MSM types. They will continue their bitter fight; it is not going to be nothing nice trying to win over the thousands of Gerald Dean Ferraros who will use the MSM as their tool to poison the male-man's (Obama) campaign.
Finally. Chicago is unlike any city in America. People like Jesse Jackson & Louis Farrakhan are extremely powerful in that city. IMHO, it is the reason why Barack Obama is so slow to toss his radical church, that is draining votes from his campaign, under the bus.
He needs to find a way to make up for the massive drain of supporters he is, & will continue to lose. Hillary Clinton fills that void. Plus, Hillary & Billery are the perfect couple to counter Repug Nation.
P.S. Don't be afraid to claim responsibility for any progress in Iraq & Afghanistan. It is the pressure that we are putting on the repugs that is forcing them to work harder.
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Thankfully
...there is no possibility now of either a Clinton or a Bush being the next president. While everyone talks about "misogyny" and bias in the press coverage of HRC's campaign, but I say the bias --if there was any-- was not rooted in any aversion towards women, but rather an aversion to Clintons. Or more broadly, an aversion to dynasty.
Having engaged in the novelty of electing the son of a former president and having seen the results, we're wary of flip-flopping from Bush back to Clinton. And what makes us wary is as much about Bill Clinton's baggage as it is about GWB's failures.
I think Hillary could have been a good president. But why settle? I think Barack Obama could be a great president. Hillary could be a good VP. But why settle? Why take the chance, when there are so many good choices out there that don't come with Bill Clinton?
If you want to win independents and so-called "Reagan Democrats," you don't do it by waving the name Clinton in their faces.
The Staff From Heck
I think Hillary was very poorly served by Mark Penn, Wolfson, and Terry McAuliffe. And I'm glad as heck that none of Hillary's team will be running the Fall 2008 Democratic Presidential Campaign. If how these two candidates selected and worked with their staff means anything, then I'm glad Barack Obama will be appointing the next Cabinet. Congratulations again to Michelle Obama, David Plouffe, and David Axelrod!
Never give a sucker an even break. Look what happened when we did that with George..
If Hillary is not Obama's VP
Hillary could still be utilized to campaign on Barack's behalf. Personally I don't know if Hillary can be trusted as her negative campaign emphasized.
But it's worth a try to ask Hillary after another VP is selected for the good of the party to see if Hillary would campaign for Obama on the campaign trail.
I know Hillary is irritated to the max over losing the nomination, but we will see if the real Hillary Clinton will stand up.
The good things that come from lying... NOTHING!
The perception of being dishonest is only an asset for losers & their bitter base.
Being a liar who consistently lies is a major problem for her. The Repugs have the same problem. They indulge in propaganda warfare on their fellow Americans like third world dictators do their citizens.
Now its time to paint McSame in the light.
Here's one one many
CNN’s Ware dismisses McCain’s challenge that Obama visit Iraq.»
http://thinkprogress.org/2008/05/30/cnns-ware-dissmisses-mccains-challen...
P.S. I would have said "lying all the time" in the lead, but McCain only lie about the issues of life & death.
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http://thepoliticolinsider.blogspot.com/
Obama says 'settle down' on VP choice
Obama says 'settle down' on VP choice
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/06/05/obama.interview/index.html
Clinton And Obama Hold Private Meeting
Clinton And Obama Hold Private Meeting
WASHINGTON — Hillary Rodham Clinton and likely Democratic presidential nominee Barack Obama met privately Thursday night to talk about uniting the Democratic Party.
"Senator Clinton and Senator Obama met tonight and had a productive discussion about the important work that needs to be done to succeed in November," their campaigns said in joint statement.
The statement included no details of their talks, as pressure mounted for Obama to invite Clinton to become his running mate.
(read more...)
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/06/05/hillary-clinton-barack-ob_n_105...
Caroline Kennedy joins OBAMA VP search team
June 4, 2008
Kennedy joins Obama VP search team
Posted: 02:27 PM ET
From CNN Senior Political Correspondent Candy Crowley, CNN's Roland Martin
Kennedy is joining Obama's VP search team.
(CNN) – Caroline Kennedy has joined Barack Obama's vice presidential selection team, an Obama campaign spokesman said Wednesday.
Former Fannie Mae CEO Jim Johnson and former Deputy U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder are also serving on the committee.
Kennedy, the daughter of President John F. Kennedy, formally endorsed Obama late January in a New York Times op-ed piece titled, "A President Like My Father."
"I have never had a president who inspired me the way people tell me that my father inspired them," Kennedy wrote then. "But for the first time, I believe I have found the man who could be that president — not just for me, but for a new generation of Americans."
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Too Many Eggs & not Enough Hatched Chickens
Never count your chickens before they are hatched
There is a valuable lesson to be learned from Hillary's campaign, the bought into the fallacy that it was over before the votes were counted. Let us not play her game or we will lose to a vigilant John McCain.
The Repug Machine will slowly whip that angry base of theirs into supporting Mc Same as a liberal.
The greatest benefit will come from treating Hillary & her supporters with utmost respect, while giving them the avenue called Bill Clinton to point their anger too.
I believe this You Tube video by Sade called , "Somebody already broke my heart," defines the moment for Hillary & her supporters.
Sade - Somebody Already Broke my Heart
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UOGfb-PRPN4
Let us put the blame were it belongs, "On Bill Clinton."
This a link to my blog called The Politico Insider
http://thepoliticolinsider.blogspot.com/
Bill has had it pretty rough, and he wasn't used that well
Hi again, Black Cell.
I think Bill made some blunders and he didn't conduct himself in a very "Presidential" manner, but I was a little shocked to hear that Hillary's high level people were calling around to try and talk Hillary down following the "bomb shelter speech" she gave after Obama got the delegates. I saw Mcauliffe go out and introduce her as "the next President of the United States" (something like that) right before the speech, and he said he was conceding nothing on The Daily Show (Looking like kinda' pathetic)... Then they called people and started acting like Hillary was deluded and obsessed, and needed to be counselled into withdrawal.
I can't say what the truth is, 'cause I am not there, but it looked like something out of "Talk To Me" where they talked someone up onto the building in order to make themselves look like heroes when they talked her down.
I think the Hillary's corner are giving her a real bum-steer, and I think they are fighting like hell not to replaced by the "New breed" of Deaniacs. Hillary should have s--- canned Penn earlier, and I don't think the rest have been doing her any real favors with their advice. If she honestly wants the VP (Who the hell knows what she really wants at this point) or a glowing future in the Senate, or ANY position in this administration, she ought to ax that staff and come clean as the real Hillary, no advisers, no flim-flam, none of the Corporatist shills. She ought to drop the road show and the revival tent, and, as she said, "Get real" with people.
Time for her to let her people go, In my opinion.
The are like Hillary Zombies
Hillary & her bitter supporters wont go away. I am perceiving it to be a propaganda war their fighting. I also don't believe the women will be that powerful when we allow them to fade into the backdrop.
They are starting to make me sick with their desperate attempt to force Hillary on Barack Obama tickets. Maybe the Bittery supporters should be countered with other Hillary supporters who have gotten over her losing. Let them tell the reasons why she lost... Lies & Bill.
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http://thepoliticolinsider.blogspot.com/
The Politico Insider
Hey BC! I checked out your blog. I must say I like it and I left a brief comment.
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Fighting Dems, Class of 2008
Bring back the crying Hillary?
Her emotional performance was our only glimpse of the "real" Hillary and it really helped her in the next primary. It's a shame nobody on her team learned anything from that.
Forget Clinton - Gore for VP again!
Gore should have been pres in 2004. But water, bridge and all that - but I think Obama is a good honest force that Washington has not seen since JFK. What he needs is a positive strong VP who will help him with international issues and environmental issues. Can a VP be a VP again? Would Gore consider helping to run the country again?
Obama/Gore
Could this be the winning ticket? It would include someone with "experience" and a tie back to the Clinton days. Or, it could backfire, by uniting all the right-wing Gore-haters against the ticket.
I'm thinking Obama would be better served with Gore in a different role. I sure do hope that Gore gets a place on this team!
Forget Clinton
She is not worth it.
No Ménage-à-trois for Obama
June 04, 2008
By Dick Morris
Putting Hillary Clinton on the ticket for vice president creates a ménage-à-trois. Bill will be the unexpected roommate. Even if a President Obama can discipline Hillary and get her to play second fiddle, there is not the remotest chance that he can get the former president to accept such rules. Even if Bill Clinton wanted to rein in his newly prolific public expressions of rage and frustration, there is doubt that he is any longer capable of doing so.
Hillary, who likely desperately wants to be tapped for vice president, is going about it in exactly the wrong way. She seems to be demanding a kind of coalition government between herself and Obama, a definition of the vice presidency not likely to appeal to the president. It reminds me of 1980 when there were discussions of a ticket with Reagan as the presidential nominee and former President Gerald Ford as the vice president in a coalition government where the VP would have extraordinary powers.
Intended to reassure voters who were panicked by Reagan's "extreme" conservatism, the arrangement never came to fruition, a development which gave us the House of Bush.
Instead of conceding defeat and campaigning for Obama, auditioning for the spot of loyal teammate, Hillary insists on keeping her options open and vies for the spotlight with Obama, exactly what you do not want a vice president to do.
Last night, when Obama went over the top in delegates and could claim the nomination as his, Hillary organized a rally of all of her supporters, directly competing for airtime with the newly minted nominee.
Adding Hillary to the ticket would not bring Obama a single vote (except possibly for Bill's). Her supporters are divided into two distinct categories. The original Clintonistas were strong Democrats, party faithful, pro-choice, middle-aged and up, largely female and all white. But Hillary's recent backers have been downscale whites of both genders who were turned off by Obama's pastor, wife and other associates and were afraid he might be a Muslim in disguise. Unhappy about voting for a woman, they never really liked Hillary but turned to her when the alternative was Obama.
If Hillary had won the Democratic nomination, these latent backers of Hillary in the primaries might still have voted for McCain in the general. Their support of Hillary is purely linked to her opposition to Obama. Were she to join the ticket, they would vote for McCain anyway. After all, Obama will still be black and the Rev. Wright will still be nuts.
But adding Hillary to the ticket brings, along with her, Bill.
The public Bill Clinton has morphed over the past few months from a statesman and philanthropist to a petulant, angry, cursing, spoiled narcissist, accusing everyone of being sleazy and biased and in so doing fashioning himself as a foil for Obama. This unattractive image is not the right one for the bottom of a ticket in a presidential race. And make no mistake, Bill comes along with Hillary.
But the more serious problem is the public record that Todd Purdum, an excellent journalist, laid out in his Vanity Fair piece. Bill's relationships with billionaires, his pursuit of financial gain, his alliance with the emir of Dubai, and his acceptance of speaking fees and income from some of the least savory of types is not what you need to carry around with you in a presidential race. To put Hillary on the ticket is to confront nagging questions about donors to the Clinton Library and Bill's refusal to release them. It would be to inherit a load of baggage that Obama does not need as he tries to position himself as the candidate of change, antithetical to the corrupt and corrupting ways of Washington.
On her own, Hillary would be no bargain as vice president. She would never accept direction and never sublimate her ambition or agenda to Obama's. But with Bill in tow, her candidacy becomes even more fraught with peril should Obama be inclined to bow to pressure and put her on the ticket.
Morris, a former political adviser to Sen. Trent Lott (R-Miss.) and President Bill Clinton, is the author of “Outrage.” To get all of Dick Morris’s and Eileen McGann’s columns for free by email, go to www.dickmorris.com.
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Change is Always Met with Resistance
Congratulations!
The nomination contest between Senator Obama and Senator Clinton has been intense. I cannot remember any nomination fight going on this long and being this close. We registered one huckuva lot of new Democratic voters. With Barack Obama running as the Democratic nominee for President of the United States, they won't be disappointed.
Tonight I say congratulation to our next President, Barack Obama and to his team. May you serve our country well!
pop quiz
"I believe that Barack Obama don't stand a chance of winning without putting Hillary on his ticket." Black Cell
That's very interesting BC, but, tell us how you really feel.
AT THIS POINT
I believe Barack Obama don't stand a chance of winning without adding Hillary on his ticket.
I am not afraid to say we need the help of white women & Moderate Republican white women to undermine fuax news & repug talk radio in places where we can't defend ourselves. Places like small towns; majority white communities; & in discussions with their white family members.
Women are the key to the presidency; we should use them to our advantage. Don't divide them, giving John McCain an advantage that could create a close election for them to steal. White women will turn on the repugs in the final hour for She-llary. They will turn a blind eye to Ba-lack Obama, out of bitterness.
Change is Always Met with Resistance
Wrong wrong no no no wrong wrong
How can you have HRC as your VP running mate when she is featured in RNC video telling the world how she thinks McSame is more qualified to be Commander-in-Chief?
Can Obama choose a different woman? I don't think so. Passing over HRC to choose a different woman would be like rubbing salt in the wounds of HRC supporters. They will come around to Obama, just give them the opportunity.
She stepped into that one.
I completely agree.
Besides that, whoever told her to try to bully Obama into the VP ticket did her no favors tonight.
Obama continues to rise above.
She got her wig split like
Ali did Foreman.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kf64ZCYVcEI&feature=related
Or was it like Muhammad Ali vs. Cleveland Williams 1966
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oD99VbFzqAg&feature=related
She is to busy being humiliated, instead being of humble. She is also exhausted & need a break from working too hard. I feel sad for her, because I still got love for her (friendly, not lust).
VP! VP! VP! VP!
I think she is different from her corner.
You know, Black Cell, I get the impression that most people would sincerely LIKE to have her on the ticket.
I don't know who's giving her the advice that she's been getting, but I think that she's a better candidate than her team is giving her credit for. I think if she axed that old team crew, people would be far more capable of seeing her as a human, which she always seems to think people don't.
They keep her vacillating between a pit bull and a victim of some gang of stereotypes, whether it's the right wing or the media or the left wing or... boys.
Honestly, I don't think they have served her well... Loyally, yes... But well, no. She was the inevitable candidate and now she suffered the biggest upset of modern politics. Most of the people who ended voting against her, would have voted for her, and were polling for her early on.
You know Barack wants that army behind him, but Hillary has to make sure he doesn't think they'll turn on him... And every time Obama tries to extend an olive branch, someone seems to tell her that he's exposed his weakness, go attack him.
Barack gave big props to Hillary last night. He sang her praises from the cliffs above the Mississippi River. Hillary went into a bomb shelter and seemed to want to go survivalist campaigning. I hope we get beyond this.
The Politics of old
Hillary's insiders had & have too many duel commitments. They were all loyalist to bill Clinton; People like Lenny Davis & other insiders have committed relationships with repugs & other media types. They leak inside info in ways that undermine her campaign; James Carvell is married to a repug; & most, if not all of them have business ties in powerful places looking to get close to her. Those are the equivalence of spies.
Yes, repugs want her on Obama's ticket because some of Hillary's insiders are bought & paid for.
If they can get her to separate herself from her friends, even Bill Clinton long enough so she could come to the realization of what it takes to run a successful campaign against repugs, she will be an asset worthy of joining the good fight.
One thing I know is when Hillary lay down the law, she takes total control of her team. But, she couldn't solve her problems because of the insiders & their duel commitments. Let's face it, Bill is done being a politician. He don't have the desire to fight like he did in the past.
I believe Hillary's high negatives are their because many Democrats, like many who hang out here REALLY don't like her. But, it would be easier to convince those who despise the Clintons to support Obama's campaign with her on the ticket, than convincing her die hard supporters to vote for Obama without Hillary.
Hillary can't undermine Obama's presidential bid or presidency without undermining her future of being the first female president.
She wants the VP spot but her horny friends want to go party. Send them packing, make new friends & live your dream She-llary.
Change is Always Met with Resistance
King Kong wont need Godzilla to win Florida,
once he figures out a response to the Balack Panther Obama swift boating.
P.S. My negative labels represent what I, the Obama koolaid drinker, believe the opposition are thinking.
Change is Always Met with Resistance
The Repug said
Oh Hillary [Kathleen Parker]
McCain is wise to praise Hillary. Not only does she deserve it for, by dang, hanging tough when most of us would have hung up our Spanx. But also because she potentially delivers a crowd of armed and angry women wandering lost in the political desert. John may be "older than dirt," as he likes to describe himself, but he's familiar as dirt, too. At this point, disenfranchised Democratic women voters may be inclined to trust him more than they do the party elders who threw them under the Prius. If McCain likes Hillary, maybe Democratic women will like McCain come November.
It's surely worth a few crumbs.
Change is Always Met with Resistance
The Exit Polls said
EXIT POLLS: Clinton Backers Send Parting Shot to Obama
Preliminary Results Reveal Obama Challenges Uniting Democrats on the Road to General Election
ANALYSIS By GARY LANGER
June 3, 2008 —
Barack Obama locked up his party's presidential nomination with a parting shot from some Hillary Clinton supporters, a third of whom in South Dakota and Montana alike said they won't support him in November.
But that's fewer than have said so in other recent primaries.
The Struggle for Unity
These and other exit poll results underscored the challenges facing Obama as he seeks to unify the party.
About half of Clinton's supporters in both states said they're dissatisfied with him as the nominee, said he doesn't share their values and didn't see him as honest and trustworthy.
In the six previous primaries, however, more Clinton supporters -- 47 percent -- have said they wouldn't vote for Obama, and more doubted that he shares their values and questioned his honesty.
It's an open question whether the polarization moderated or the final two states just were different.
In either case these are criticisms expressed by Clinton voters in the heat of battle; whether they linger remains to be seen -- but they suggest that the way Clinton leaves the race does matter, now that Obama has claimed enough delegates to secure the Democratic nomination.
In both states, satisfaction with Obama as the nominee, ratings of him as honest and trustworthy and the view that he shares Democratic voters' values all were much higher, naturally, when his supporters are included.
And even as he lost South Dakota, voters there narrowly picked Obama as most likely to win in November; in Montana, where he won, voters by a wider margin called him more electable than Clinton.
South Dakota, Montana Follow Similar Patterns
Voting patterns in these contests reflected the divisions that have been customary during the campaign: Clinton did better among seniors, less-educated and lower-income voters and mainline Democrats; Obama prevailed by a wide margin among voters under 30 and did better with more-educated, better-off and independent voters.
Turnout among these groups helped explain the outcomes: Mainline Democrats accounted for only about 60 percent of voters in Montana's open primary, vs. more than 80 percent in South Dakota's closed contest; and college graduates were more prevalent in Montana by roughly a 10-point margin.
In one possible path to reconciliation, a substantial majority of Clinton supporters more than two-thirds in both states -- also said they'd like to see Obama pick her as his running mate.
Considerably fewer Obama supporters, however, said they'd like to see him choose her -- only about four in 10.
On a positive note, 55 percent in South Dakota said the long campaign has mainly energized their party rather than divide it. But the same question drew only about an even split in Montana.
As has been the case all season, about half of South Dakota voters, and slightly more in Montana, said change was the main attribute they were looking for in a candidate, at least twice as many as cited the No. 2 quality, experience.
The economy was the most-cited issue, and eight in 10 say the current slowdown has affected their families.
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The insiders said
Clinton open to VP nod
By JIM KUHNHENN and BETH FOUHY, Associated Press Writers1 hour, 9 minutes ago
Angling for a vice presidential nod, Hillary Rodham Clinton refused to bow out of the Democratic race Tuesday, hoping to maintain leverage as Barack Obama clinched the delegates needed to secure the party's nomination.
"A lot of people are asking, 'What does Hillary want?'" Clinton told supporters at a rally in New York. "I want what I have always fought for: I want the nearly 18 million people who voted for me to be respected and heard."
Clinton told the crowd she would consult in the coming days with advisers about the fate of her moribund candidacy. But her remarks came hours after she told congressional colleagues she would be open to joining Obama as his running mate.
Many of her top supporters spoke openly of Clinton's potential vice presidential prospects. Lanny Davis, a former White House special counsel under President Clinton, said he told the former first lady Tuesday that he was initiating a petition to press Obama to select her for the second spot on the ticket. He said Clinton did not encourage or discourage the step.
"If he doesn't have her, I think he can still win. With her on the ticket, he can't be beat," Davis said.
Clinton's national finance chairman, Hassan Nemazee, said he was also pushing an Obama-Clinton ticket, claiming that together they would be able to raise $200 million to $250 million for the general election.
Advisers indicated earlier Tuesday that the former first lady would publicly acknowledge in her speech that Obama had crossed the delegate threshold. But she changed her mind and refused to do so even after television networks and The Associated Press declared the Illinois senator had sealed the nomination.
Her advisers said they considered the delegate numbers to be unreliable, even as the AP estimated Obama had several more than the 2,118 needed to nominate. Earlier, Clinton acknowledged on a conference call with New York lawmakers that the delegate math was not there for her to overtake Obama, according to several participants on the call.
She said none of that publicly Tuesday but vowed the Democratic Party would unite in its effort to defeat Republican John McCain in November.
Clinton won South Dakota's primary Tuesday, while Obama won Montana's. The two contests rounded out a historic five-month primary battle that pitted the first major black candidate against the first serious woman contender.
The South Dakota victory, which was unexpected, gave Clinton an excuse to buy more time to consider options, her advisers said.
On the conference call with New York colleagues, Clinton, a New York senator, said she would be willing to become Obama's running mate if it would help Democrats win the White House.
Clinton's remarks came in response to a question from Democratic Rep. Nydia Velazquez, who said she believed the best way for Obama to win key voting blocs, including Hispanics, would be for him to choose Clinton as his running mate.
"I am open to it," Clinton replied, if it would help the party's prospects in November. Her direct quote was described by two lawmakers who spoke on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to speak for Clinton.
"I deserve some time to get this right," she said, even as the other lawmakers forcefully argued for her to press Obama to choose her as his running mate.
Joseph Crowley, a Queens Democrat who participated in the call, said her answer "left open the possibility that she would do anything that she can to contribute toward a Democratic victory in November. There was no hedging on that. Whatever she can do to contribute, she was willing to do."
Another person on the call, Rep. Jose Serrano of New York City, said her answer was "just what I was hoping to hear. ... Of course she was interested in being president, but she's just as interested in making sure Democrats get elected in November."
Rep. Charles Rangel, a devoted booster of Clinton who helped pave the way for her successful Senate campaign, said he spoke to her Tuesday and got much the same answer.
"She's run a great campaign and even though she'll be a great senator, she has a lot of followers that obviously Obama doesn't have, and clearly the numbers are against her and so I think they bring all parts of the Democratic Party together and then some," Rangel said.
Aides to the Illinois senator said he and Clinton had not spoken about the prospects of her joining the ticket.
Most of Clinton's campaign staff will be let go and will be paid through June 15, said the officials, who spoke on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to divulge her plans.
Universal health care, Clinton's signature issue as first lady in the 1990s, was a point of dispute between Obama and the New York senator during their nomination fight.
Clinton reiterated her commitment to that issue in her remarks Tuesday.
"It is a fight I will continue until every single American has health insurance. No exceptions and no excuses," she said.
Other names have been floated as possible running mates for Obama, including former rivals New Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson and former North Carolina Sen. John Edwards, and governors including Janet Napolitano of Arizona, Kathleen Sebelius of Kansas and Tim Kaine of Virginia. Also mentioned are foreign policy experts including former Georgia Sen. Sam Nunn, Connecticut Sen. Chris Dodd and Delaware Sen. Joe Biden, and other senators such as Missouri's Claire McCaskill and Virginia's Jim Webb.
Obama could also look outside the party to people such as anti-war Republican Sen. Chuck Hagel of Nebraska or independent New York Mayor Mike Bloomberg. Or he could look to one of his prominent supporters such as former Sen. Tom Daschle of South Dakota or try to bring on a Clinton supporter, such as Indiana's Sen. Evan Bayh or retired Gen. Wesley Clark.
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Beth Fouhy reported from Washington. Associated Press Writer Devlin Barrett contributed to this report.
Change is Always Met with Resistance
Clinton message: She'll do what it takes in November
June 2, 2008
Posted: 09:29 PM ET
From CNN Correspondent Suzanne Malveaux
Obama insiders believe Clinton is sending signals she would be willing to join the ticket.
Obama insiders believe Clinton is sending signals she would be willing to join the ticket.
NEW YORK (CNN) – Sen. Hillary Clinton is poised to deliver a message Tuesday "that she will do whatever it takes" to put a Democrat in the White House — a message that Barack Obama insiders say indicates she would accept an offer to be Obama's running mate if asked.
"In her speech tomorrow night, she will convey the message that first and foremost she is committed to Democrats winning in November and will do whatever she's asked to do," a close friend and adviser of the former first lady, who speaks with her regularly and is privy to her deliberations, told CNN Monday.
"She will do whatever it takes to bring the party together to win and whatever is asked of her to make sure the Republicans are defeated."
That message has been conveyed to the Obama campaign via informal channels, according to Obama insiders who said the message is a signal that she would be willing to serve as his vice president.
Both the Clinton and Obama campaigns told CNN that there have been no formal discussions between the campaigns.
Obama insiders are split over whether considering Clinton to be on the ticket is a good idea.
"Obama has a philosophical aversion to making promises and pre-empting the process that is in place so Clinton can accommodate her interests," one Obama insider said. "Sure, she's on the short list, but there's a whole process in place."
One Obama insider believes putting Clinton on the ticket would "ramp down the animosity" that exists between the supporters of the two candidates. But another insider said that "while there is mistrust between the two, it's less about trusting her, and more about whether she can deliver."
Clinton and Obama go into the final two primaries of the Democratic nomination fight Tuesday with Obama leading in delegate totals, although the results in South Dakota and Montana won't give him the 2,118 delegates he needs to secure the nomination.
Instead, the Illinois senator must depend on superdelegates — party insiders and elected officials — to put him over the top.
One such superdelegate — the highest-ranking African American in Congress, House Majority Whip Jim Clyburn — will endorse Obama on Tuesday, multiple sources told CNN. A top Democratic operative said that Clyburn will offer conciliatory remarks towards Clinton in an effort to bring the two campaigns together.
In his endorsement speech, Clyburn is expected to talk about the historic nature of having a woman and an African American run for the Democratic nomination and how important it is that these two leaders and their supporters bring the party together. Clyburn has been instrumental in trying to bring the two camps together and has delayed until now publicly stating his choice in the Democratic race.
Democratic Party insiders are also discussing how to patch up Clinton's relationship with the black community and how to bring African American Clinton supporters into the Obama fold, several top Clinton supporters said.
Filed under: Barack Obama • Hillary Clinton
Change is Always Met with Resistance
Black Cell: Beware of the Split Ticket Voters
Posted on May 30th, 2008 by BLACK CELL,
Can Identity Politics Save the Right?
Fresh out of other options, the Republican Party's bid to regain power is likely to come in the form of a pander to "real Americans."
Mark Schmitt | May 27, 2008
There are two points at which a political party or an ideological faction can find its voice and begin to claim power. One, of course, is when it is at the height of confidence and electoral success, like Ronald Reagan's conservatives in 1981. The other is when it has hit bottom, when there's nothing more to lose, no constituencies to feed, no illusion that anything in the current strategy is working, no excuse for caution.
The Republican Party today is certainly not in the first position. But, with party identification favoring Democrats by the widest margin in 16 years, and Republicans losing even the battle for campaign money, the party may be close to the second. Parties in nonparliamentary, winner-take-all systems don't disappear. The recent resurgence of the British Conservative Party is a reminder that even after a decade of futility, a new leader, a vision, and impatience with the incumbent party can turn things around quickly. But for now, with Republican state parties in shambles, with no chance of reclaiming a congressional majority any time soon, and suffering, as former House Speaker Newt Gingrich warned, "a catastrophic collapse of trust," the GOP could be hitting that bottom, and grabbing desperately onto a frayed lifeline--the identity politics of American-ness--in a last bid for survival.
To appreciate the value of hitting bottom, consider what happened to the Democratic Party and liberalism. All through the Reagan and first Bush eras, and again in the Clinton years, Democrats always had something. The institutional heart of the party was in the House of Representatives, and during the Reagan era, the complacent assumption that "we'll always have the House" meant that many important Democratic figures didn't feel they had much stake in whether Michael Dukakis won the presidency or President Clinton succeeded. After the Gingrich takeover of Congress in 1994, the Democratic Party's purpose became identified with the personal survival and renewal of the Clinton presidency. Only after 2002, when the Democrats finally lost everything, when they reached the political equivalent of living in their car, did the path to renewal begin. Accelerated by the disaster of the war and awareness of their own complicity in it, enraged by the media and energized by new voices such as the "netroots" bloggers and the stellar candidates of 2006 and 2008, the Democrats proved that a party, and even its liberal wing, can turn things around almost completely in just four or six years.
The Republican Party, though, has always had a different attitude about risk, almost courting disaster while the Democrats postponed it. In Building Red America, his slightly belated 2006 opus on the Republican plan for permanent power, Thomas B. Edsall points to studies showing that core Republicans are "confident risk-takers"--white men with a very high tolerance for hazard. But as Edsall notes, they are so confident because they have been generally insulated from the consequences of their risk-taking--think of George W. Bush's career as an oil man, or of Bear Stearns, or of the quasi-celebrities whose messes are discreetly taken care of. And while conservative pundits and some of their politicians are in a state of panic, political strategists like Karl Rove carry themselves with the confident swagger of an investment banker who just lost $2 billion of someone else's money but still has the Fifth Avenue apartment and the house in Bedford. Rove's scheme to establish a 30-year reign of absolute Republican power increasingly looks like yet another gamble of the bubble economy, like a hedge-fund scheme that couldn't fail until it failed.
Whether it has a secret Swiss bank account of political capital or not, the Republican Party is not going away, and conservative ideas, despite their failure in practice, probably still have a hold on the American instinct. A fully ruined Republican Party could be as dangerous and consequential as one holding on to some scraps of power. But even if it retains the presidency, the party, and the conservative movement with which it became conjoined, faces deep structural problems--and the next moves are far from clear.
The Downfall
To understand the depth of the hole that the Republican Party finds itself in this year, set aside the presidential race for a moment and zoom out the map. The real secret of Republican success starting in 1994 and into this decade was not Newt Gingrich or Karl Rove--it was big-state Republican governors who were seen as successful in implementing actual conservative policies, from welfare reform to standards-based education reform to tax-cutting economics. In the late 1990s, you could start in Boston and drive out I-90 to Chicago, back up and down through the Northeast, mid-Atlantic, and upper Midwest, and with the idiosyncratic exception of Indiana, the governor's name on every "Welcome to ..." sign you passed would be that of a Republican, most likely popular and considered successful. Although much of that success was built on accounting fraud (Christine Todd Whitman, that means you), it was these Republican governors who made voters comfortable with the idea that conservative governance could work. Republican governors of the 1990s produced the senators (George Voinovich, Lamar Alexander), cabinet secretaries (Tom Ridge, Tommy Thompson, John Ashcroft), and the president of the current decade.
Today all this is gone. There are still 23 Republican governors, but of the big states in the Northeast and Midwest, only Minnesota is governed by a Republican. A handful of the 23 are considered successful, mostly because they have moderated their predecessors' conservatism--notably Charlie Crist of Florida, who reversed many of the barriers to voting set up by Jeb Bush and Katherine Harris. Arnold Schwarzenegger of California, M. Jodi Rell of Connecticut, and Jim Douglas of Vermont succeed by accommodating liberal Democratic legislatures to such a degree that it could be argued that they give Democratic legislators a little more courage, because the governors will share political responsibility for tax increases or other policies that might bring a backlash. (I grew up in Connecticut, and it's unquestionably a more reliably progressive state now than when it had Democratic governors in my youth, passing domestic-partnership and real campaign-finance reform legislation, raising the estate tax, and moving toward a universal health program.) A few other GOP governors, including Haley Barbour of Mississippi, Jon Huntsman of Utah, Mark Sanford of South Carolina, and Sarah Palin of Alaska, are considered successful conservatives but run states that are so solidly red that for purposes of the presidency and the Senate, their success has little external effect.
Future governors, members of Congress, and policy initiatives will emerge from state legislatures, but those, too, have been flipping to the Democrats. Of the 99 state legislative bodies, Democrats control 58 and Republicans 40 (Nebraska's single house is nonpartisan), and only seven states are fully controlled by Republicans. In several cases, the new Democratic majorities have been bolstered by waves of party-switching. These are numbers last seen in the 1980s, when Democratic legislative majorities included very conservative Democrats in the South.
At the national level, Democrats in the House of Representatives have a robust margin of 37, which is likely to grow. (Only four Democratic seats are currently considered toss--ups.) The Democratic majority in the next Senate is almost certain to be big enough that it will not have to depend on Joe Lieberman continuing to call himself a Democrat, and it could reach 56 or 57. Most notably, unlike the last Democratic majorities in the early 1990s, this one will not depend on the party's ultraconservatives. The most conservative Democrats today--Ben Nelson of Nebraska, Mark Pryor of Arkansas--are vastly more liberal than their predecessors and, not being from the Deep South, don't have one foot out of the party.
Significantly, these Democratic majorities at every level are unshakeable in November. There are only 11 gubernatorial elections this year, and only three of those are considered competitive. Only one Democratic Senate seat is in play, and even that incumbent, Louisiana's Mary Landrieu, has been strong in polls. Retirements, scandals, and strong recruiting give Democrats an advantage in Virginia, Colorado, New Hampshire, and several other states. While a few House Democrats who beat scandal--plagued Republicans in 2006 will have to struggle to hold on to those heavily Republican districts, a far larger number of Democrats are seeking to take the seats of retiring or weakened Republicans in districts trending Democratic. On April 22, a Democrat won the plurality of the vote in a special election for a Mississippi House seat in a district designated "R+10"--as Republican as it gets. On the same day George W. Bush set a new record for the highest disapproval rating ever recorded for a president. As blogger Matt Stoller wrote that evening, "The public hates Republicans."
John McCain may well win the presidency. If he does, though, it will not be because Stoller is wrong but because McCain is able to retain a reputation as somehow separate from the public's perception of the Republican Party--that he is honorable where the Party is corrupt, moderate where it is far right. A McCain victory will not in itself restore the Republican brand, although it may lay the foundation for a certain kind of comeback. While McCain's instincts are conservative, it's quite likely that a President McCain would look a lot like Gov. Schwarzenegger or Gov. Rell, with McCain having no alternative but to collaborate with a heavily Democratic legislative branch, perhaps being warmly received as a result. So while McCain might well win, and might even be deemed a moderately successful president, he will not do so by solving the deep structural problems of the post-Bush Republican Party and conservatism's decadent phase, but by divorcing himself from them.
McCain may be able to leave the Republican Party and the conservative movement behind, but it remains to be seen whether the Republican Party can divorce itself from the failures of conservatism. In theory, of course, conservatives and Republicans are not the same, and one can succeed while the other fails. After all, it's only been a few decades that the Republican Party has been distinctly conservative. But much of the success of both in the last decades has been in their mutual embrace. Republican moderates like former Rep. Nancy Johnson of Connecticut chose to throw in their lot with conservatives like Gingrich not for reasons of ideology but because they saw the conservatives' passion as the means to a reinvigorated, aggressive party. And the conservatives--who had at first succeeded by building institutions outside of the party--then threw themselves into it completely. As a result, conservatism and the Republican Party now rise and fall together and cannot easily be disentangled. The Northeastern Republican moderates are now nearly extinct (Johnson was unseated in 2006), and conservatism has no other home. Bush, his administration, the Republican brand, and all but a few Republican officeholders are deeply unpopular and so is almost every aspect of conservative policy.
Conservatives like to construct an elaborate tale of betrayal in which the true faith can be restored by wresting it away from the unseemly ambitions of Republican politicians. But that story denies the reality that the downfall of both the party and the movement began on the very moment that Bush shed all the hedges and compromises--such as "compassionate conservatism" and the Medicare prescription drug benefit--and began to try to govern like a conservative. The Bush era ended two days after the 2004 re-election when Bush declared, "I earned ... political capital, and now I intend to spend it." Starting with the effort to privatize Social Security, everything went straight downhill. The rejection of the Republican Party came not because it failed conservatism but because conservatism failed.
The Paths Back to Power
Whether after a total defeat, losing both houses of Congress and the presidency for the first time in 16 years, or under the circumstances of a compromised, drifting McCain presidency, Republicans and conservatives will face the same question: How do they rebuild political power?
As Republican Party officials fade into insignificance (how many people would recognize the chairman of the Republican National Committee or even House Minority Leader John Boehner in an airport?), the face of the party becomes its pundits, bloggers, and former grandees like Gingrich, former Rep. Mickey Edwards, and Jack Abramoff–accomplice Grover Norquist. These Republicans are filling the bookstores with soon-to-be-remaindered titles like Comeback, Grand New Party, Reclaiming Conservatism, and Heroic Conservatism, all premised on one variation or another of the "we lost our way" theory.
Animating all these books is the idea of ideas or as they like to say, in a motto attributed to the agrarian conservative Richard Weaver, that "ideas have consequences." We have an intellectual history, conservatives often condescendingly tell liberals, while you just have feelings. "Conservatives won by out-researching, out-thinking, out-arguing, and out-smarting their opponents," former Bush speechwriter David Frum writes in Comeback, and lost their way when "conservatives began to argue that intellect no longer mattered to conservative politics."
The more specific ideas proposed in some of these books are mostly smart and palatable. If the intellectual commissars of the opposition party were Ross Douthat and Reihan Salam, who in Grand New Party propose supplementing a mild social conservatism with actual economic supports for fragile families, our political system would be nicely balanced. If former Rep. Mickey Edwards' call in Reclaiming Conservatism for a respectful constitutional libertarianism and a restoration of the balance of powers were the Republican ideology, I would think of the party as a sometimes useful check on the ambitions of liberalism. But most of these ideas are not what they claim to be: plans for renewing the party by anchoring it in a rediscovery of the moral absolutes of conservatism. Rather, they are purely improvisational, tactical positioning--attempts to meet the public demand for action on health care and climate change without accepting liberal solutions, much like the Bush Republicans' attempt to meet the demand for prescription-drug coverage under Medicare. These are elegant, short-term compromises disguised as ideology. Not that there's anything wrong with that. Dozens of similar prescriptions were written for the Democrats during the wilderness years and formed the basis for the Democratic Leadership Council, for Clinton's second-term triangulation, and for the cautious posturing of Vice President Gore and Democrats in the 2000-2002 period. The difference is that all those proposals at least had parallels in the actual practice of Democratic politics. The Republican prescriptions exist in a hypothetical world, rather like the alternative historical fiction novels that Gingrich cranks out in between his visions of the future. "What if the Republicans had commonsense ideas?" is the new "What if the South had won the Civil War?"
If Republican politicians were testing these ideas on the campaign trail or in Congress, they might be of more than academic interest. Debates among the 11 initial Republican presidential candidates would have been expected to provide a forum for a range of ideas about the party's future. But it was not to be. A momentary glimmer of the Douthat/Salam theory was visible when Mike Huckabee talked about health care as a moral obligation, but he was so tied down by the most extreme version of the tax-cut agenda that he couldn't do anything with it. Mitt Romney briefly abandoned the laissez-faire economic dogma to speak of Republican investment in key fields, like green jobs and the auto industry, but those talking points expired as soon as they served their purpose of helping Romney win the Michigan primary, after which it was back to cutting taxes and doubling the size of Guantanamo Bay.
The eventual nominee, John McCain, brings nothing new to the table of political ideas, except for a uniquely militaristic view of American supremacy in the world. There is no philosophy of "McCainism" around which the election will revolve. Nor are there any up-and-coming Republican officials, with the possible exception of Gov. Crist of Florida, who take any of this reformist thinking seriously. Even Gov. Tim Pawlenty of Minnesota, whose phrase, "Sam's Club Republicans" inspired Douthat and Salam, is a conventional tax-cutter and social conservative. Rather than reconstructing a coherent philosophy out of their compromises, Republican politicians fall back on a mode of argument (modeled on Gingrich, its original master) that involves making occasional grand and ridiculous gestures toward supportive government--"a laptop for every child" or more recently, advocating legislation to ensure "more energy at lower cost with less environmental damage and greater national security"--followed by a quick return to the traditional bromides about tax cuts and entitlements. One admires the conservative writers for their resilient commitment to the idea that ideas matter, in the face of all evidence that in actual Republican politics, they've never mattered less.
The second path for Republican renewal is to use the opportunistic power of pure opposition, free from the responsibility to participate in governing the country. The Republican structure was always a machine better designed for opposition than for governance, and the unity-in-opposition of the early Clinton years is surely the moment for which conservatives are most nostalgic. They are geared up to destroy the next Democratic administration as soon as it comes forward with any kind of tax increase, a health-care proposal, an initiative on climate change, a plan to end the Iraq War, or anything related to guns or gays.
In the 16 months since the Democrats took over Congress, Bush has been able to hold the initiative in part by operating as the opposition party from within the White House, vetoing and threatening vetoes, casting every Democratic effort to end the war or limit warrantless surveillance as surrender. But whether McCain is president or not, by the natural rhythm of politics, it will be almost impossible to sustain the kind of disciplined, crafty opposition that allowed the Republicans to set the agenda from below as they did in 1993 or 2007. For one thing, there are far fewer Democrats who will play along or be as easily spooked as they were in 1993. For another, holding together absolute party unity will not be as easy this time. What's in it for Sens. Arlen Specter, Olympia Snowe, or Gordon Smith to join a vicious attack on a Barack Obama or Hillary Clinton health proposal, especially if it reflects some of their ideas? It doesn't help them in their states, it won't help them get any closer to a congressional majority, and it won't exactly brighten their legacy. Pure opposition politics would be further complicated by the fact that the politics of taxes can no longer be cast in absolute terms. There is no possibility of extending all of the Bush tax cuts when they expire starting in 2010. There will be pressure immediately to work out a deal on the estate tax in particular, and permanent repeal is no longer a possibility. So even though Republicans will yell about the "biggest tax increase in history," it will be a debate about the structure of that large tax increase, not about whether to increase taxes. If Democrats can master the congressional agenda, they can construct a package that continues tax cuts for the middle class while restoring fair treatment of capital gains and dividend income. Ever since George H.W. Bush's 1990 budget deal, which raised some taxes, Norquist and other conservatives have insisted on an absolute choice between raising taxes and cutting them. But when it becomes impossible to cast tax choices in such pure terms, the most powerful weapon in the Republican arsenal of opposition will be lifted from Republicans' hands.
The Identity Pander
That leaves Republicans with a single alternative, one that's embodied in the slogan of McCain's first general-election advertisement: "The American President Americans Are Waiting For." It's the politics of identity--not necessarily racial or ethnic identity but identity as an American. The blog FiveThirtyEight.com, which has been gathering all sorts of data relevant to the Electoral College vote, recently noted a fascinating demographic fact: About 7 percent of people refuse to answer the Census questions about ethnic origin and instead write in "American." Those defiant Americans are overwhelmingly found in the states and counties that turned away from the Democratic Party in 2000 and 2004--the Appalachian belt running from West Virginia through Kentucky, Tennessee, and southern Ohio--which are also the counties where Barack Obama has done worst in the primaries.
David Frum calls explicitly for this brand of identity politics, declaring that while the Republican Party's issue positions have evolved over the years, "there is one thing that has never changed: Republicans have always been the party of American democratic nationhood," whereas Democrats "attract those who felt themselves in some way marginal to the American experience: ... intellectuals, Catholics, Jews, blacks, feminists, gays--people who identify with the ‘pluribus' in the nation's motto, ‘e pluribus unum.'" In case it's not clear, in Frum's Latin, "pluribus" means "parasites," and he tells us helpfully, "As the nation weakens, Democrats grow stronger."
In Frum's book, this ugly bit of identity politics is carefully nestled within thousands of words about policy. And this is how the code is supposed to work. The GOP's attack on "liberals" was always an attack on people not quite like "Americans"--secular, cosmopolitan, educated, egalitarian. When Republicans went after Michael Dukakis for his policies on crime, they weren't just saying his policies were bad. They were saying, he's not like us; he's a cold-blooded, academic mush-brain who wouldn't give his kids a whupping if they needed it.
The politics of American-ness needs to be cloaked in policy, simply because it's unpalatable otherwise. Without the helpful crutches of symbolic issues like welfare, crime, and immigration, the raw edges of the politics of people-not-like-us would be a little too uncomfortable, and not just for those of us who fall into one or more of the "pluribus" categories. But thanks to the unlikely trio of Bill Clinton, George W. Bush, and John McCain, the usual game is impossible. Clinton took welfare and crime off the political agenda. Bush made global belligerence and eternal tax cuts unpalatable. And McCain's inconvenient position on immigration takes away what Republicans last fall were dreaming would be their silver bullet. As a result, with Americans saying they are willing to pay more taxes for health care and better schools, with Republicans at a disadvantage in the polls on every single issue, there is no respectable costume in which to dress up identity politics.
Traditionally, the phrase "identity politics" has referred to the Democratic coalition's caucuses, interest groups, and competitive claims of wrongs to be righted and rights to be granted. Identity politics on the left, according to this very conventional wisdom, opened the door to an alternative politics of national identity on the right. And yet in 2008, the Democratic presidential nomination battle between an African American and a woman has not exacerbated left identity politics but brought it to a peaceful close. Obama is not Jesse Jackson; Hillary Clinton is not former Rep. Pat Schroeder. He chose to campaign on national reconciliation, she on bread-and-butter economics and her expertise on military affairs. Whereas McCain--a man whose known positions on the war and on the economy are deeply unpopular, whose other positions are endlessly shifting, whose party and ideology are rejected--is recast entirely in terms of his biography, his honor, his character, his American-ness.
This year the Republican argument is reduced to its barest essence: Americans versus "pluribus," unprotected by the politeness of issues or safer symbolism. Hence McCain's slogan, the politics of the flag pin, the e-mails charging that Obama doesn't salute the flag, and the attempt to associate him with the anti-American politics of 1968, when he was 7 years old. This, then, may be the ultimate high-stakes gamble for the party of confident risk-takers: Accept that everything else--ideas, competence, governance--is gone, and instead of trying to reconstruct it, as the books recommend, bet everything on the bare essentials of Republican identity politics, "The American President Americans Are Waiting For."
If it works, it will be in part because we--by which I mean the media and many Democrats--believe it will. We are easily spooked by the confident swagger of the Republicans, who not so long ago were plotting permanent world domination. But then, so was Bear Stearns.
If it fails, the Republican Party will be left with nothing. It will be a regional party, with no hold on government, no up-and-coming generation of politicians, no noble ideas which might have their day again. For Republicans, that may be the better result. It might take a decade, but like the British Conservatives, one day a new leader will emerge, read the books about reforming conservatism, embrace a new vision, and rebuild a party that can compete for power without trying to monopolize it.
Change is Always Met with Resistance
Change is Always Met with Resistance
It would be a risky gambit, with a major piece...
It would be a risky gambit, with a major piece...That's just my take, though.
Following the RBC meeting, it seems that Hillary is in a hard spot, but that doesn't put Obama in the White House. Like you said, there are a lot of special interests out there who will make that a lot more difficult, if they can... I wonder if they can.
The question I would have about this chess match is not whether a united party could put Barack in, but whether a disjointed ticket might make tough decisions tougher once there. There has been some considerable talk about the Abe Lincoln reference possibly meaning that Obama wants to bring her in, or whether that RFK remark made her too toxic.
If Hillary has the power to destroy the Democratic parties hopes in November, what would that mean to a President who was forced to buckle once he's in office? If Obama gets in, and is confronted with a difficult choice, will Hillary be backing the President or will the VP be "triangulating" against him? Will the Democratic Party actually unite because we are on the same ticket? The Clinton name and money machine, along with the position of VP, could put a real arm bar on the President Particularly if it became President vs Ex-President. In a situation like that, add someones brothers, or some old, no - so - squeaky - clean business contacts into the picture and you might have some very difficult negotiations and public relations matters. It is even possible, if the situation was more than just "appearances," that such an entanglement could cost Obama. It looks like the Democrats have a good shot at majorities in Congress large enough for some real work to get done, but such an entanglement could send the pendulum swinging the other way faster than expected. I think there is a lot of baggage to be considered in the Clinton name, and this cycle hasn't done much to improve her negatives across the aisle... despite what Limbaugh and "Operation Chaos" might have said.
I think you make some powerful points, Black Cell. But I have seen only examples of how Hillary is capable of taking Obama down, at this point. I would want to see some example of how she is capable of improving his Presidency before offering a spot like the VP. Otherwise, to me, it would appear that the VP would be a potential Achilles heel, no matter how fantastic the rest of the appointees are. It would appear that he had been backed into the corner, rather offering the position... Which would make it much easier to accept.
Greetings Mad Donkey
First let me say that this is just my opinion. I believe I understand how the repugnant repubs are going to attack Barack Obama. But, I can't say I understand Hillary Clinton & her connections to the pugnacious republican people she has aligned herself with, in order survive in the arena of ideas.
I know Hillary's team has done & said some nasty things, but they were trying to win the Democratic nomination the best way they could. Let us not forget what we have done to force her into the position that has been unfortunate for her & fortunate for Obama.
We have been controlling the debate from the beginning by playing the kind of political chess that forces our opponent to back peddle & take the lowest road that they can find, in a failed attempt to win.
Repugs are in the same position. They can't win the debate. All they can do is attempt to blindly character assassination our candidate. Since we know character assassination is one of the few options they have, we should counter by using Hillary's assets to our advantage.
Yes, the Clintons may seem to be easy pickings when it comes to character, but don't forget she is loved. It would be a cake walk if she became the Democratic Parties nominee.
Obama has been campaigning as a person who can unite America. He should first start by uniting our Party. I hope he is seriously considering the assets the Clintons bring to his campaign. The Clintons are like a double edge sword. But, they are vigorous fighters; they will strengthen Obama's image in that category.They are experienced at going into the trenches ( pugsville ) & undermining the oppositions strategies.
Their strongest asset is they tug at the heart of women voters. I believe today's women are extremely powerful. Just as sex sells, strong beautiful women sell. For me, Michelle Obama & Hillary Clinton are two women who are, without a doubt, beautiful & represent white & black women to the fullest. Why not add Hillary? She will help promote Michelle's strengths, when repugs are trying to undermine them. The female, Hillary Clinton create a platform that unites black & white women in a way that is great for America.
Assuming the Clintons can be trusted in a way the don't undermine Obama's campaign, Hillary will be the icing on a cake. Her presence will help market women & minorities in a way that can't be undermined by repugs. Hillary promotes sisterhood in a way that a black person or a white man could never do. She says vote for her because she is a WOMAN, qualified & a fighter; she has proven them all to be true.
Now it is time for Obama to prove he can unite our Party. Hopefully he does it by asking Hillary to be his vp candidate.
Mad Donkey, I believe the 4th of July is a day that all of the united States come together & promote Americanism. I hope Barak Obama picks Hillary as his vp candidate in time to help give his campaign a boost that will win the debate at barbecues & family gatherings on that day. It is an important day; repugs will use that day to play political chess; we should add white women to our arsenal.
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Salutations Black Cell
As I said, you make strong points, but I would have grave misgivings if the VP and President should wind up in a power struggle... In the near future a united party has the opportunity to make the kinds of changes that America is in desperate need of. On the other hand, a house divided... Well, you know how the saying goes.
I don't want to be a polar opposite.
Still... I would love to have the honest opinion of an Al Gore on this.
Hillary women who would vote against Obama and for McCain are certainly not issue voters, and I think Hillary would be capable of making that case. What would it say about Hillary, however, if she required the position of VP to do so? Seeing what a McCain administration might mean, I would think she would be driven, as she has said she would be, to avoid that.
Taking the Clintons in that position... Hillary has to prove she can bring something positive, something other than holding the nomination hostage, in my opinion. As you say, it could be a double edge sword. From the looks of things, it's already swinging back and forth in the realm of character assassination (Understanding that that is all it may be).
http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/features/2008/07/clinton200807?curren...
The Wake Up Call
Repugs used their talk radio monopolies to win the debate on the issue of drilling for more oil. Now they are working on weakening the Democrats position with fighting the war. How about talking more about capturing Osama Ben Forgotten
Democrats are too busy focusing on the wrong issues, while repugs are systematically taking control of the debate.
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Most wake up calls don't explode like that one...
Talk about the fourth of July... Here we are, closing out an historic Presidential primary race, and the two candidates are both virtually blown right out of the headlines.
The whole campaign could be just like that... And, Black Cell, you know it wouldn't end if Obama won. We may take the Congress with a mandate... But the media is a horse of a different color, and it's just been slammed (justifiably) for being "too deferential."
She can be Toxic
Thank You Mad Donkey
I believe Bill Clinton thrust for young white women should be bought out of the darkness & into the lite. It kind of explains why the repugs are working so hard on Hillary's. She is their straw woman. They have all the info they need to turn Hillary's campaign into one not about issues of importance, but issues about Billary's lust & sexual escapades.
The womens lib organizations will be forced to defend Hillary in the worse way. Why not get them started now. It helps explain why it isn't wise for Obama to choose her.
She can also be used as a lightning rod. Negative campaigning is an art that should be mastered. Giving repugs a pound of Hillary flesh could be the perfect negative image to replace The New Age Black Panther image that is about to be bestowed onto Ba-lack Obama. They don't care if he has a white mother. Obama's mom represent Patty Hearst to them.
Change is Always Met with Resistance
Risky like the Halloween Gambit
I don't want to bash the Clintons.
But I believe most women will vote on issues, not identity. Further, I don't know if people are getting an honest picture of her "rural America" appeal in a Democratic Primary. She may out-identify relative to Barack Obama (from the big city), but I think against McCain the Clinton name will be back to high negatives, and play into what the Repugs wanted to run against in the first place. Here comes the Rich (insert slur here) lady from New York City and the Libruhl (insert slur here) guy from Chicago... What do those city folk know about us "Real UhMuricans?"
Besides... Like I said, the campaign is NOT the whole enchilada. One big brawl and that whole sexist accusation that has already been used, could come right back out... Then what?
How many olive branches has Obama offered to have them thrown in his face?
she's a HUGE risk ... I wouldn't say no outright... But ... I would want some REAL convincing reassurances.
Mad Donkey
I agree with everything you said, except for this. "I believe most women will vote on issues, not identity."
This is an identity game.
The surge in new Democratic Party supporters & the extremely large crowds has everything to do with the fact that a black man is about to become the next President of the U.S.. Obama was perceived as not being Jesse Jackson or a radical black member of the Black Panther Party.
We are living in an unbelievable time right now. Our elders can remember how women & minorities were discriminated against in their past: Just as it is a dream come true for black Americans, the same is true for women; in this case white women.
My journalism teacher is a native black African woman, who voted for & still support Hillary. She cannot convince me to believe that she is supporting Hillary based on issues. IMHO, she is only supporting Hillary because of sisterhood.
Might I add, Hillary will boost Mechelle Obama's image in white America. Hillary will turn Michelle into sacred grounds in the minds of white women, who will be on the defensive in support of their sister.
If Hillary would have chosen Obama as her vp candidate, it still would have been a dream come true for many, if not most black people around the world. The passion that comes with that dream is more powerful than any issue. The same is true for young & elderly white women. Having a qualified woman like Hillary as a VP is a major issue.
Don't let the nasty fight skew your perspective. Because, we beat the crap out of Hillary & she brought heat with her toughest game face.
I believe Hillary is going to be Obama's VP choice & you will see the passion in many white women in your community. You are going to hear white women something like this. " I never thought I would ever see a black President, let alone a black person & a woman on the same ticket in my life."
Moderate Republican white women will abandon the repug Party like blacks abandoned the Clintons
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You're bringing me along, BC, But I'm still a skeptic
I must certainly admit that the attack dog VP is a classic and desirable addition for anyone going for the unity pitch. Hillary has got all the talent for that, and she has shown it.
You say your journalism instructor is supporting Hillary (glad to hear your taking journalism:), and you believe it's for identity. Will she vote Obama if he is the candidate, or will she vote for McCain or sit it out?
The nasty fight, however, is not the only thing that is skewing my perspective. What is skewing my perspective more than that is the notion of the DLCers having too much pull. I don't think that the only person who wanted to battle this out was Hillary, but I think that the DLCers may have been white knuckling on the notion of being all but sidelined by the Dr. Deaniacs ( I get the impression that they really dislike him and his "net roots" types). I would like to see that. I dislike the people Hillary has brought, Penn, Ickes, McCauliffe, etc., more each day. I think they could easily become antagonists, and start pouring venom in Hillary's ear. One of the concessions I would want to see is a bit of distance from them. I trust them as far as I could throw them.
However, if I were Obama, the biggest factor would be the advice of someone who had worked with her... Named Al.